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Garage Band is really a nice piece of software. I did a demo in Garage band last year. It worked really well. Pro Tools is they way to go. Most top studios have Pro Tools. If you learn PT, then your stills will be more valuable. The "M" versions are pretty cheap considering the HD versions will cost you 10K+.
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you don't need a berklee music degree to pursue your musical dreams ...
I started out at a 2 year school and transfered into a major university ... and I also took a few years off between high school and college ... for me that was the best way to go ... I traveled, worked a few different jobs and played some good gigs before I went to school ...
I started out at a 2 year school and transfered into a major university ... and I also took a few years off between high school and college ... for me that was the best way to go ... I traveled, worked a few different jobs and played some good gigs before I went to school ...
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Im just worried about a career. Money seems to be everything. And I mean, I dont care if Im rich or not or anything like that. But I dont want to struggle and what not you know. Everyone seems to think its just stupid to go to college for music. I keep getting told to go to college for something else but keep the music up. Well theres nothing else I want. Just about every subject bores me to death. The closest thing to a logical job i could get is graphic designer. And I dont want that... Its just it seems like a good idea.
Im thinking I want to be a producer if I cant be a bassist for the rest of my life. But I dont know exactly how good of a job that is, and I dont know if its like being a musician, a pain in the *** and leads to being nothing but broke. I figured If I went there for Production and something like songwriting composition and such that it would give me a good basis to be a producer. I could work closely with music and still give my personal bass thing a go the whole time. Without having to worry my *** off about money.
Even Chip told me, go to a normal college and study something that well get you a good job. Study music on the side, but lay out a good job first. I didn't really tell him what I would be going to Berklee for tho. So I dont think he knows about the production thing yet. Haven't had much time for in depth talk yet. To be honest that one was a dream crusher then. You know, kinda like the one person you think would completely understand kinda saying its a bad idea. Eh, but then again I can understand. Cus where he happens to be at.
Im thinking I want to be a producer if I cant be a bassist for the rest of my life. But I dont know exactly how good of a job that is, and I dont know if its like being a musician, a pain in the *** and leads to being nothing but broke. I figured If I went there for Production and something like songwriting composition and such that it would give me a good basis to be a producer. I could work closely with music and still give my personal bass thing a go the whole time. Without having to worry my *** off about money.
Even Chip told me, go to a normal college and study something that well get you a good job. Study music on the side, but lay out a good job first. I didn't really tell him what I would be going to Berklee for tho. So I dont think he knows about the production thing yet. Haven't had much time for in depth talk yet. To be honest that one was a dream crusher then. You know, kinda like the one person you think would completely understand kinda saying its a bad idea. Eh, but then again I can understand. Cus where he happens to be at.
Well, dude, you did ask the internet for advice and some of us are telling you what worked for us. We're not telling you to forget about it; I haven't seen one post in this thread that says that.
Rath and I apparently went through a lot of the same stuff as late teens/early 20's guys and came to the same conclusions. My path started as a high school academic star who derailed at UC Irvine. I spent a few years backtracking at local community colleges double-majoring in music/recording arts and the sort of classes I'd need to transfer to a 4 year school for a technical degree. I ended up transferring and ultimately getting two electrical engineering degrees having a decent career with a modicum of financial success and because of that playing far more music with better gear and better gigs as a 30 and 40 year old than I ever did as a 20 year old.
The point of pretty much everyone's comments here is "It can be done. It is not easy. But then again, nothing worth doing is." There are no shortcuts for mere mortals such as us.
Sorry if I sound like your parents but I am an old fart who's stuck in his ways and seen it all grumble grumble you damn kids get off my lawn!
Rath and I apparently went through a lot of the same stuff as late teens/early 20's guys and came to the same conclusions. My path started as a high school academic star who derailed at UC Irvine. I spent a few years backtracking at local community colleges double-majoring in music/recording arts and the sort of classes I'd need to transfer to a 4 year school for a technical degree. I ended up transferring and ultimately getting two electrical engineering degrees having a decent career with a modicum of financial success and because of that playing far more music with better gear and better gigs as a 30 and 40 year old than I ever did as a 20 year old.
The point of pretty much everyone's comments here is "It can be done. It is not easy. But then again, nothing worth doing is." There are no shortcuts for mere mortals such as us.
Sorry if I sound like your parents but I am an old fart who's stuck in his ways and seen it all grumble grumble you damn kids get off my lawn!
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"You know, kinda like the one person you think would completely understand kinda saying its a bad idea. Eh, but then again I can understand."
What you are saying is that you found that one of the few people you really respect, didn't give you the answer that you expected--one that told you to go ahead and do what you wanted. Instead this person interjected a dose of reality, or realistic thinking, in any case.
You feel like you're at a decision point in your life. No doubt this feeling was precipitated by another--the feeling that you're going nowhere in your present situation. But to make progress in any new situation, some reality-based thinking needs to happen. Don't make the mistake in thinking that a radical solution will bring about radical change for the good, for no other reason than that it seems to be symmetrical. This is called "magical thinking", and for good reason, too: there is nothing in real life that simply must happen this way. For radical change in a positive way to come about, the landscape that is inside your head must change, not the one outside. It's the one inside that's making you feel badly right now, and changing the one outside only works as a temporary measure--until the newness of the situation wears off. Then it's back to the same old drudgery, which includes the same old reactions to things that are bringing you down right now.
Going from your comments, there's some growth and attitude adjustment necessary. Imagining you as one of my own students (most are between 19 and 23; I don't know your age, Jacob, but I imagine that's close, more about this in a sec)...), I would advise that the adjustment needed is in the area of the necessity of learning to "go along in order to get along".
When I see you putting the words "teachers" and "BS" together in the same sentence, my trouble detectors fire right up. Usually this means, not that the teachers' facts are out of line, but that the student is resisting the innate authority of the teachers to control a small part of his life. This is a personality clash of a most basic level and type, and usually is an indication of immaturity on the part of the student, not any problem on the part of the teacher, except possibly a failure to recognize the student's dilemma and provide a possible solution.
Back to the age thing. If you're younger than the range I gave above, good for you. You're experiencing something early enough to work it out and still have plenty of productive youth left to allow you well-considered action. If you're older than 23 or so, my vibe is "Uh-oh--trouble ahead!" because you've probably been simmering over this for a number of years without any conclusion yet, and are moving rapidly toward a "Fourth and ten" type of action.
Not knowing you well, I can't give practical advice to choose A, B, or C. But I can say that you need the advice of someone who does know you well and can be counted upon not to drag his or her own prejudices into the advice given. And if that advice does not reinforce your preconceptions, and you go ahead and do the opposite anyway, I can predict with near-certainty that there will be rough roads ahead; for how many miles in entirely up to you.
What you are saying is that you found that one of the few people you really respect, didn't give you the answer that you expected--one that told you to go ahead and do what you wanted. Instead this person interjected a dose of reality, or realistic thinking, in any case.
You feel like you're at a decision point in your life. No doubt this feeling was precipitated by another--the feeling that you're going nowhere in your present situation. But to make progress in any new situation, some reality-based thinking needs to happen. Don't make the mistake in thinking that a radical solution will bring about radical change for the good, for no other reason than that it seems to be symmetrical. This is called "magical thinking", and for good reason, too: there is nothing in real life that simply must happen this way. For radical change in a positive way to come about, the landscape that is inside your head must change, not the one outside. It's the one inside that's making you feel badly right now, and changing the one outside only works as a temporary measure--until the newness of the situation wears off. Then it's back to the same old drudgery, which includes the same old reactions to things that are bringing you down right now.
Going from your comments, there's some growth and attitude adjustment necessary. Imagining you as one of my own students (most are between 19 and 23; I don't know your age, Jacob, but I imagine that's close, more about this in a sec)...), I would advise that the adjustment needed is in the area of the necessity of learning to "go along in order to get along".
When I see you putting the words "teachers" and "BS" together in the same sentence, my trouble detectors fire right up. Usually this means, not that the teachers' facts are out of line, but that the student is resisting the innate authority of the teachers to control a small part of his life. This is a personality clash of a most basic level and type, and usually is an indication of immaturity on the part of the student, not any problem on the part of the teacher, except possibly a failure to recognize the student's dilemma and provide a possible solution.
Back to the age thing. If you're younger than the range I gave above, good for you. You're experiencing something early enough to work it out and still have plenty of productive youth left to allow you well-considered action. If you're older than 23 or so, my vibe is "Uh-oh--trouble ahead!" because you've probably been simmering over this for a number of years without any conclusion yet, and are moving rapidly toward a "Fourth and ten" type of action.
Not knowing you well, I can't give practical advice to choose A, B, or C. But I can say that you need the advice of someone who does know you well and can be counted upon not to drag his or her own prejudices into the advice given. And if that advice does not reinforce your preconceptions, and you go ahead and do the opposite anyway, I can predict with near-certainty that there will be rough roads ahead; for how many miles in entirely up to you.
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Jacob, I was at the same point you are at back in 1978. I played trombone in high school and was pretty good at it and I had no idea what I wanted to be. I had really good grades and was expected to go to college, so I applied to Virginia Commonwealth University because I heard they had a good music program and I passed the audition to get in. About half my classes were music and the other half were the usual math, english, etc. I set myself up so that if I needed to go in another direction I could. It was tough, the classes were hard, I didn't have enough time to work so I lived of my savings and donated plasma twice a week for money. I found out I wasn't as good at music as I thought I was and after a semester I got with my advisor and we both came to the conclusion that I was going in the wrong direction. I could have picked a different major but I decided college wasn't for me and I went back home and got a construction job while I thought things through.
Now having said all that, I was glad I gave it a shot. Even though it was tough, it was one of the best times of my life and I look back and have great memories.(The school I went to was 6 to 1 girl/guy ratio and the partying was incredible). The best class I took was called Literature and Structure of Music and was 6 credit hours. I learned stuff in that class that I still use to this day. And I learned some good life lessons from that time too.
And now you're wondering how did it all turn out? I did the construction thing for a couple of years and got to experience what working hard and having nothing was all about. I found out about an apprenticeship that the Gov. was offering and got in as an aircraft mech. since I was pretty good at mech. type stuff. Twenty five years later I've climbed a couple of ladders and now do Quality Assurance type work on aircraft and make a good living, enough to buy a rick or two on occasion. I think if you want to try something you should go for it, but try to be smart about it. Try to give yourself some alternatives if things don't work out. If you don't you'll be my age wondering "what if...."
Now having said all that, I was glad I gave it a shot. Even though it was tough, it was one of the best times of my life and I look back and have great memories.(The school I went to was 6 to 1 girl/guy ratio and the partying was incredible). The best class I took was called Literature and Structure of Music and was 6 credit hours. I learned stuff in that class that I still use to this day. And I learned some good life lessons from that time too.
And now you're wondering how did it all turn out? I did the construction thing for a couple of years and got to experience what working hard and having nothing was all about. I found out about an apprenticeship that the Gov. was offering and got in as an aircraft mech. since I was pretty good at mech. type stuff. Twenty five years later I've climbed a couple of ladders and now do Quality Assurance type work on aircraft and make a good living, enough to buy a rick or two on occasion. I think if you want to try something you should go for it, but try to be smart about it. Try to give yourself some alternatives if things don't work out. If you don't you'll be my age wondering "what if...."
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My 2 cents:
I grew up in Boston. I moved out a couple years ago. It's too expensive. $300/mth to park your car vs driving around relentlessly to find a spot. Rents for a shoebox are around $1500/mth. But it still has tons of charm. Would I move back? Yes. I miss the atmosphere. But for someone relocating to Boston, not sure if a retail or messenger job would keep your head above water. You'd probably need a few roomies...
I grew up in Boston. I moved out a couple years ago. It's too expensive. $300/mth to park your car vs driving around relentlessly to find a spot. Rents for a shoebox are around $1500/mth. But it still has tons of charm. Would I move back? Yes. I miss the atmosphere. But for someone relocating to Boston, not sure if a retail or messenger job would keep your head above water. You'd probably need a few roomies...
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