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wints · Post by **wints** » Mon Dec 04, 2006 3:02 pm

The early toasters are very boomy. The one's from my 60's/70's basses are much more up front than the treble pick up, and don't forget that bass suckin' cap figures in the mix too...

The necks are usually fine too. Many have stood up to years of heavy Rotosound use. They probably have been the prime culprits of neck warp, but nearly always aided by someone with a wrench trying an adjustment about which they had no clue...

jwr2 · Post by **jwr2** » Mon Dec 04, 2006 5:45 pm

I have owned 7 or 8 basses with a neck toaster ... to my ear the only difference between the old and new toasters is the older ones have degaussed slightly taking a little of the edge off of them ... to my ear they are a little softer and mellower but only slightly ...

teeder · Post by **teeder** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 4:01 am

Jeff,

The toaster in my '72 has more balls than the HS in my V63! It's amazing! Nothing like I expected.

jwr2 · Post by **jwr2** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 5:32 am

that could be due to pickup height adjustments ...

teeder · Post by **teeder** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 5:39 am

Maybe, but I have my HS pretty high. The old toaster is closer to the strings than the one on the V though, but not by much.

rickcrazy · Post by **rickcrazy** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 10:44 am

A 1972 toaster pickup has "long" polepieces, right? So, there's the explanation: longer magnetic slugs = more gauss, more gauss = higher output.

leftybass · Post by **leftybass** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 11:04 am

Both of the neck toasters in each of my '72s simply scream. Hot and very bright. A BIG part of the overall sound of the 4001 IMO.

teeder · Post by **teeder** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 11:37 am

"A 1972 toaster pickup has "long" polepieces, right? So, there's the explanation: longer magnetic slugs = more gauss, more gauss = higher output."

I've never seem toasters from before 1972. What is the time frame of the longer pole toasters?

rickcrazy · Post by **rickcrazy** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 11:43 am

I'm not sure. On the 4001 Model, maybe they were introduced sometime in 1971. The one on my November '70 21 fretter has the short magnets.

heinpete · Post by **heinpete** » Thu Dec 07, 2006 12:36 am

Do/Did all the toasters have/had 6 poles in the magnet?

jps · Post by **jps** » Thu Dec 07, 2006 3:10 am

My '67 4005WB has both long and short magnet toasters. The output seems the same for both, perhaps that is position related.

jwr2 · Post by **jwr2** » Thu Dec 07, 2006 5:37 am

my 68 4001 had the shorter magnets ... and yes all toasters have 6 alnico magnets ... the pickup was designed for a 6 string guitar ... but the toaster pickup was used in 4, 5, and 8 string basses and it worked well ...

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