Switching High Gain covers to Toaster covers?

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I added a middle pickup to my 360-12WB and finally settled on a mixture of toasters at the neck and middle spots and a high-gain at the bridge. I really like the various tonal possibilities that the neck/bridge mix can produce. The neck toaster alone has a really nice woody tone, the bridge alone has a brighter sparkle and the mix using the fifth knob allows me to blend them as I see fit.

I tried every combination possible when I added the middle pickup and tried using both a toaster and a high-gain there. In short, I didn't think it really added much to the overall sound. I guess I was expecting that mixing it's signal in with either the neck or bridge circuits would give a more powerful or fuller tone than just the normal 2-PU system provided. That really wasn't the case, so most of the time the mid pickup was turned off. I even bought a Ric-O-Sound box and fooled with various versions of stereo and it still didn't thrill me like I'd hoped it would.

I finally settled on a rather curious system. The neck toaster and bridge high-gain are wired to the pots, the toggle and fifth knob, just like they would be on a normal 360. Their output is run to a normal mono output jack on the jack plate . The middle toaster is wired all by itself. It has it's own volume knob (suggested by Dale and a great idea) but no tone pot - it's tone is essentially turned all the way up, all of the time. I pulled the stereo output jack out of the jack plate and installed a second mono jack. The middle pickup is wired to this jack all by itself. I use two cords and run into two amps or two channels of the same amp. I could have run it all through one stereo cord and matching jack and used a splitter at the amp, but I ran my main bass with two cords for years. It's simple and I'm used to it, so I stuck with it.

To start with, the middle toaster run hot and straight into the amp has beautiful tone, even if that's all your using. The other cord essentially generates the normal sounds of a 360-12. I can mix the two signals and adjust their individual tones as I desire, and also run one cord through the JangleBox or other electronic tone-shaper and blend in as much as I want into the overall mix. I love the JangleBox, but was never really happy with the way it seemed to lose the low end of the sound. Now I just boost the low end by mixing in the other (non-Jangled) channel. I can also record if I want by running one cord directly into the recorder and using the built-in effects and running my other cord to my amp (which seems to have nicer tone than the Korg recorder) and sticking a microphone in front of the amp. Record on two channels and you can sit and tweak the overall sound in any direction you want.

Yes, it's an unusual mod, but I now feel like my middle pickup is actually doing something. When you kick it on, especially when you're just playing and it's run through a second amp or second channel with different tone settings, it really generates in a much fuller sound. I may be the Dr. Frankenstein of Ricervania, but compared to my other Ric twelves, this sucker really kicks some serious butt.

The second pickup installation is not for the faint-hearted. You'll most likely need to dig a trench for the underside of the pickup, right in the middle of a perfectly good Rickenbacker. Rather than disassemble the entire guitar to be able to get a router in there, I used the old method of a series of overlapping depressions (maybe 3/16"-1/4" deep) drilled with big forstner bit on a hand drill. Then I drilled the small diagonal tunnel connecting the trench to the control cavity and drilled the pickup screw holes. I sealed the fresh "rout" with varnish and trimmed the guards to fit the new pickup, like those on a 370 (I eventually made new back-painted guards to match the TRC that came with the guitar). For somebody who is a decent woodworker but not a luthier, the mid pup installation is do-able, but a pretty scary job. I would do it again in a heartbeat to get my stereo sound, but If all I was doing was trying to turn a 360 into a stock 370, I don't think it adds enough sound to be worth the risk, expense and anything else that might go along with having a modded guitar.

The sixth knob is the middle pickup volume pot and the bridge pickup is a high-gain converted to take a toaster cover.

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Nice work Todd.
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Thanks for posting that Todd, I've been toying with the idea of making my 360/12 a 370/12 but was wondering if it would add much or change the sound at all!

I think I'll just let it be the way it is!
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Nice work Todd, and love the pickguards too.
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To make the conversion to toaster top, wouldn't using dowel pins like these be easier?

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Pull the button nails and put the slugs in, then the toaster top fits with a good pole piece and you don't have to cut off the nail head.
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Easier? I don't know. The shank of the poles isn't very big and has little spiral flutes cut into it. I suppose it took me maybe 20 minutes to cut all six heads off using a vice grip to hold them and a cut-off wheel in a Dremel to do the chopping (a hacksaw would also work). I just figured that the best thing to put back in was the same thing that came out. Plus, it didn't cost anything. Arnquist checked my two converted high-gains when he was working on my twelve and they came out 11.9K (bridge) and 11.87K (middle). The neck toaster (a real one) was 7.1K. I've since replaced the middle converted HG with another real toaster for the different tone it gives.
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Post by shackleton »

Do you still have the converted high-gains?
Got to start with one make it a 360/12.
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Todd, changing the pole pieces won't change the dc resistance of the coil. The amount of metal inside the coil and magnet field will change the amount of output and probably the sound characteristics too.
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Eric, I still use one converted high-gain for the bridge pickup. The neck position has a real toaster (wired in the standard 360 mode with neck, bridge, toggle and fifth knob) and the middle toaster (real) has it's own circuit. I still have one converted high-gain left over and haven't figured out what I'm going to do with it. I thought about getting another real toaster and doing a neck toaster, bridge high-gain rig on my 2030 bass. It would look incredibly cool, but that bass sounds so good with the stock pickups that I'd be an absolute fool to mess with them.
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How much do you want for the converted high gain?
Got to start with one make it a 360/12.
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I'm going to sit on it for a while, in case a suitable use for it comes up. I'm kind of keeping one eye open for a 360WB six from the early 1990's to match my twelve-string. Hopefully, one will show up some time when I have the cash to buy it in my toy fund. If so, I might play with mixing pickups again.
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