Old style nameplate or newer style ?

rob320 · Post by **rob320** » Sat Aug 02, 2003 9:51 am

I've always prefered the older style nameplate's as i think the newer raised one's look, dare i say it, a little cheap on such beautifully made and finished instruments. I don't know what everyone else thinks but why don't Rickenbacker revert to the original design for all their guitars, or is it a question of cost ? Just a thought.

dave4004 · Post by **dave4004** » Sat Aug 02, 2003 10:05 am

IMHO the newer raised ones look much nicer. At any rate I'd guess the real reason they are raised is to make counterfeiting more difficult.

mortivan · Post by **mortivan** » Sat Aug 02, 2003 10:27 am

Strangely enough, I think the older nameplates look cheaper.

rob · Post by **rob** » Sat Aug 02, 2003 10:35 am

I have never seen, yet, the new style raised letter nameplate.

I have seen the non-raised letter version.

IMHO, I do like the raised letter nameplate better.

As for counterfeiting, I don't think it would be too difficult with the raised letter. The non-raised version, with the name silkscreened (?) would be a little more tricky.

I say this because of many businesses in the plastic injection molding. If someone who works in a tool-room mold shop has a raised letter nameplate, he/she probably can make a small mold out of it. (Please don't get any ideas, anyone!)

So, IMHO, I think it would be in the best interest for the company to switch over the "flat" nameplate. I feel that's a bit more harder to duplicate.

paul_yan · Post by **paul_yan** » Sat Aug 02, 2003 10:53 am

I've seen the raised letter ones in both black and white forms, but have only seen the silkscreened ones in white.

Did RIC ever produce silkscreened ones in black?

banta · Post by **banta** » Sat Aug 02, 2003 12:30 pm

No Paul, I don't think the reverse-screened ones were ever done in black as the black TRCs came out after the change was made to the embossed style. Like some others have said, I'm also of the opinion that the embossed TRCs look better. One of the ways I've 'customized' my basses is to paint the raised lettering to match the basses better.

banta · Post by **banta** » Sat Aug 02, 2003 12:34 pm

Another thing - the newer embossed TRCs are also harder to counterfeit.

paul_yan · Post by **paul_yan** » Sat Aug 02, 2003 12:50 pm

Thanks for sharing the fact, Brad.

I personally like the embossed type a lot...the pure white background contrasts really well with the black raised letters. White, gold or silver on black is cool too.

However the revere-screened TRC on my '72 4001 Fretless MG, whose white looks a bit grayer under the clear plexiglass, also suits her vintage look very well. My feeling is: Reverse-screen for the old and emboss for the young basses.

longhouse · Post by **longhouse** » Sat Aug 02, 2003 2:46 pm

The VINTAGE-style nameplates are much classier than the raised letter variety.
No comparison.
Noel

banta · Post by **banta** » Sat Aug 02, 2003 3:16 pm

Robert Fronckowiak said:

As for counterfeiting, I don't think it would be too difficult with the raised letter. The non-raised version, with the name silkscreened (?) would be a little more tricky.

I say this because of many businesses in the plastic injection molding. If someone who works in a tool-room mold shop has a raised letter nameplate, he/she probably can make a small mold out of it. (Please don't get any ideas, anyone!)

So, IMHO, I think it would be in the best interest for the company to switch over the "flat" nameplate. I feel that's a bit more harder to duplicate.

No way, Rob. There are literally ten thousand shops that could quite easily & inexpensively forge the older screened TRCs. There are less than a hundred facilities that could even make a replica of the newer embossed TRC, and it would cost significantly more in setup.

aceonbass · Post by **aceonbass** » Sat Aug 02, 2003 4:32 pm

Actually, RIC did make black silk screened TRC's. My Dec.'75 3000 came with just such a piece. The lettering almost looks silver and it also says "Made In USA" but without the model# below it like the TRC's on my other basses. The bass it came on was a wreck missing the original pickguard and pickup. It's currently undergoing restoration and conversion to fretless. The body has been done in deep pearl blue urethane with a clear guard backed in white pearl and a toaster top with vintage knobs and new electronics. Anyway, I prefer the silkscreened TRC's and have made gold and white one's for most of my basses along with old style gold, white and black guards to match.

rictified · Post by **rictified** » Sat Aug 02, 2003 9:45 pm

I like both on the appropriate basses like Paul said, but I would like to see the model # put back on the TRC's. It's little touches like that that makes me like the older ones. I also like the reverse tuners on the mid to late 70's 4001's, they are actually easier to turn and easier to tune with. Turning your hand clockwise to raise the pitch just seems natural to me.

paul_yan · Post by **paul_yan** » Sat Aug 02, 2003 11:20 pm

Hey Dane,
Would you please post a picture of the black silk-screened TRC of your 3000? Gotta be cool looking.

aceonbass · Post by **aceonbass** » Sun Aug 03, 2003 12:09 am

Sure..as soon as I can get my wife to take a digital pic of it so I can send it to the administrator to post. AOL was so much easier to do this with even though it was dial-up. I'll get her to take pics of all my Rickys to post here.