4004Cii/5's are coming of the line!

jwr2 · Post by **jwr2** » Sat Aug 23, 2003 5:06 pm

You mean v63 and C64 ... as far as I know they are pretty much the same bass ... except the C64 costs more ... both are recreations of 60's Ric basses and I have a real 60's Ric ... I have played several v63 basses ... they are nice instruments ... I assume the c64 is just as good ... There are others who can speak with more authority on this than I can ...

Other Ric's I'd like to buy ... 4003s8 ... 4003 jetglo ... 4003s5 mapleglo .... 4004cii ... 4004cii5 ... so you see a C64 bass is not even in my top 5

ken_james · Post by **ken_james** » Sun Aug 24, 2003 1:42 am

I have to agree with Jeff, I have a '68 4001 and a 4001CS, the 68 sits under the bed along with the CS, I have no interest in a c64 with a goofy headstock. I would like to find a 4004C Cheyenne or a black 4003s5 w BT though.

dano · Post by **dano** » Sun Aug 24, 2003 2:04 am

OK, while we're comparing models, V63 and C64, someone please tell me the difference between a Cii and the Laredo. Judging by the catalog they pretty much look like the same bass, although the Cii has gold hardware which I do not like at all. How much of a price difference, if any?

bottom4 · Post by **bottom4** » Sun Aug 24, 2003 2:43 am

Dan, don't think there is much of a price difference between the two. I believe the difference between the two is that the Cii has walnut sandwiched in between the body and Laredo does not - I could be wrong, but I believe that the difference.

cheers!

jps · Post by **jps** » Sun Aug 24, 2003 4:23 am

I believe the Cii has nicer figure in the Maple top and back than the L.

jwr2 · Post by **jwr2** » Sun Aug 24, 2003 10:05 am

The real difference between the 4004C and 4004L is the trim ... gold or chrome ... they are really the same basic bass down to the wood and electronics ....

jps · Post by **jps** » Sun Aug 24, 2003 2:05 pm

I thought the Cii had "Charactered Maple and Walnut" as opposed to the "Hardwood" on the L, in addition to the gold vs. chrome, according to the RIC description on it's website.

Am I correct in descibing the differences between the two?

jwr2 · Post by **jwr2** » Sun Aug 24, 2003 2:17 pm

As far as I know they are the same wood ... I am not prepared to sand down my 4004L to prove it ... But I thought the main difference was the chrome/gold and finish color thing ...

maple and walnut are both hardwoods ...

robj · Post by **robj** » Tue Aug 26, 2003 10:00 am

The C-ii's body wings are constructed of a maple top and back with walnut sandwiched in between (mine is anyway). I have no idea of course if the Laredo shares this construction feature.

Maybe Kenny knows?

jwr2 · Post by **jwr2** » Tue Aug 26, 2003 10:13 am

as far as I know both are walnut and maple ... although I'm sure they don't laminate quilted maple under where they paint black ...

jwr2 · Post by **jwr2** » Tue Aug 26, 2003 10:13 am

as far as I know both are walnut and maple ... although I'm sure they don't laminate quilted maple under where they paint black ...

robj · Post by **robj** » Tue Aug 26, 2003 11:28 am

It would be good to see comments from Kenny or John Hall on this.

You may recall seeing pictures of a natural C-ii which only had the maple top over walnut and no maple back, obviously the design has evolved and the Laredo is an older model than the C-ii. Whether or not it has stayed in lock step with changes made to the Cheyenne model is the real question I think.

IF the factory starts producing C-ii's again it will be interesting to see if there are any changes to the design from what I have.

squirebass · Post by **squirebass** » Tue Aug 26, 2003 12:35 pm

Robert,
I remember the natural C-ii that had the walnut back, it was on Mike Parks site, wasn't it? I'd be very interested in knowing what the changes are to the C-ii and L series basses as well. please keep us posted on that.

Thanks!

GS

bottom4 · Post by **bottom4** » Tue Aug 26, 2003 1:19 pm

I recall a post from JH in response to someone complaining about the gold hardware on the Cii; he said buy the Laredo if you want chrome hardware it’s basically the same bass. He said, again if I recall, “currently” they use the same quilted wood. I don’t believe however that they use walnut on the Laredo. They are also offering the Laredo in transparent red, green and blue now, which indicates to me that this is so.

As far as the Cii goes – the body is walnut sandwiched by quilted maple. The headstock on the naturals has changed. They no longer offer the walnut wings. The headstock, according to the pic on the web site now looks more like the 4003 headstock. That’s just my observation!

Cheers!

robj · Post by **robj** » Tue Aug 26, 2003 1:31 pm

I didn't know they are offering the Laredo in the Trans colors now. Very cool if true. That would seem to make the Laredo a C-ii with chrome hardware instead of gold plated and maple fretboard instead of bubinga.

I just tried to view the Laredo at the RIC website but get back strange text characters instead of the pic and description. The C-ii link seems to work ok though.