Genesis

bob_the_bass · Post by **bob_the_bass** » Wed Jul 11, 2007 9:32 am

Saw them at Old Trafford on Saturday night - absolutely amazing! I didn't get any decent shots with my phone cam, but here is a link to a picture taken at Twickenham with a proper camera - just look at that stage!

http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=762598967&context=set-72157600733755236&size=o

captsandwich · Post by **captsandwich** » Wed Jul 11, 2007 10:05 am

Didn't they recently play some sort of little environmental thing?

johnallg · Post by **johnallg** » Wed Jul 11, 2007 10:23 am

Do not think of all the power that it takes to do up a stage like that..... Do not think of all the power that it takes to do up a stage like that..... Do not think of all the power that it takes to do up a stage like that..... Do not think of all the power that it takes to do up a stage like that.....

bob_the_bass · Post by **bob_the_bass** » Wed Jul 11, 2007 10:28 am

Yes they did the Planet Earth show in the morning, then flew up to Manchester to do a near-on three hour show in front of 80,000+ people & probably burnt enough energy to run a small town for a month, but what the heck - it was an AWESOME show!

johnallg · Post by **johnallg** » Wed Jul 11, 2007 12:27 pm

Don't get me wrong, I love Genesis, but it seems kind of hypocritical. Like Hollywood types paying $1000 a plate for a gala fundraiser that nets about $50 for the charity.

[sorry, one of my sore spots]

dswp · Post by **dswp** » Wed Jul 11, 2007 1:41 pm

"Do not think of all the power that it takes to do up a stage like that"

I'd say three, two megawatt generators would do it.

johnallg · Post by **johnallg** » Wed Jul 11, 2007 2:16 pm

And a flux capacitor or two.

aceonbass · Post by **aceonbass** » Fri Jul 13, 2007 8:10 am

In that sense, we're all at least a little bit hypocrytical when we start our car, eat something that was grown hundreds of miles away or just plug our RIC into an amp. When celebrities that many admire like Bono, Sting and even Genesis call attention to a problem, then people can decide if they want to sacrifice enough to really change. Governments and big corporations like ours won't do a thing till they feel it's in their best interests to do so.
John, even I'm not pesemistic enough to believe that 95% of the money for those big fundraisers goes to the people holding the event. That's why it's $1000.00 a plate and not $50.00...so most will go to the cause. If you look, there are public disclosures that will tell you how the money is divided up.

johnallg · Post by **johnallg** » Fri Jul 13, 2007 10:14 am

I don't feel hypocritical in the least. I drive a bigger car that is comfortable for me and it gets 26mpg in the city and 33 on the highway. That's as good as it gets for a car that I am comfortable in (being a bigger guy).

What I want to know is after almost 150 years of relying on fossil fuels, why haven't we found a better source of energy?! Why don't we have a small personal energy source the size of an air-conditioning unit sitting behind our houses to supply all the energy we need? Be it fission or fusion, or some other sci-fi energy yet to be discovered? No overhead power lines or the polluting generation connected with it.

aceonbass · Post by **aceonbass** » Fri Jul 13, 2007 11:17 am

Corporate greed John. A short story to illustrate my point. Back in the 30's&40's we had an awesome mass transit system in Southern California. Then Texaco Oil, General Motors and a large tire manufacturer(whose name I forgot) bought up all the transit lines, busses cable cars and the subway(yep, we had a subway in L.A.). A group of concerned parties sued all three of the principles for anti-trust law violations. The big three actually lost. The penalty imposed by the government...$1.00! So you see John, even the government was in on the deal. It should come as no surprise that BIG oil has the present White House in it's pocket too. Do I need to elaborate on that one? I didn't think so.

elysrand · Post by **elysrand** » Fri Jul 13, 2007 11:41 am

Fuel Alcohol from cellulose by enzyme reduction is the practical future. Even the oil companies are buying into it. They are suppressing everyone else's efforts to popularize fuel alcohol from corn, etc, in order to get the seven years breathing room they need to gain a monopoly in US domestic fuel alcohol production.

Brasil is 95% converted by now to fuel alcohol from corn, and they have almost NO air pollution from automotive exhaust any more.

I have to honor and obey the rule here that political discussions are forbidden on this Forum, so I cannot elaborate on the "whys", but if I could it would sure be tempting to get into one anyway over what I consider one of the most important scandals of the day regarding government-supported cancerous deadly pollution continuing for years to come just to keep the big oil companies profitable at the expense of our health....

johnallg · Post by **johnallg** » Fri Jul 13, 2007 11:48 am

Dane, there presently is no interest in developing an alternative because there is no money in it at this stage - it would all be investment into research and stockholders can't make returns on that.

Elys, Michigan is into ethanol production - we have a couple plants near here in production. Farm land that has been fallow is growing corn for them. The Erie PA company my oldest daughter works for is building a huge biodiesel plant. But this is just parallel thinking, not true innovation.

Ditch the internal combustion engine!

dswp · Post by **dswp** » Fri Jul 13, 2007 11:55 am

Warning..... thread drift…..

I see things changing from where I sit.

When I am not playing Rickenbacker basses, I have a side job where I am involved in designs of very large electrical infrastructures. With Lead Certification and standards like 90.1-2004 now being a part of my life, I see drastic changes afoot with energy consumption. It has become very difficult to balance conservation with function due to the aggressive nature of these new restrictions.

In the Philadelphia area you now must prove your design to meet all the new standards on paper before construction can begin on a project. Not a lot of fun, however it is good for the earth (and job security I guess).

In case you are really bored, you can check these sites out.

http://www.usgbc.org/DisplayPage.aspx?CategoryID=19

http://www.realread.com/prst/pageview/browse.cgi?book=1931862664

bob_the_bass · Post by **bob_the_bass** » Sun Jul 15, 2007 11:56 pm

Getting things back on track - it is STILL an awesome stage set! When you pay good money to see a show, you expect a good show, & Genesis wrote the book on giving a good show!

henry5 · Post by **henry5** » Mon Jul 16, 2007 4:18 am

Wish I'd been there Bob....