Modern Vs. Vintage

wints · Post by **wints** » Sat Jul 21, 2007 11:15 am

The classic compromise between the mojo and feel of the vintage gear, and the superior made, more practical new gear.

Most who have played the 60's instruments will say they can't be beat for feel. The new stuff is much more durable and reliable.

Both have their own merits and followers.
Pay your $$$ and take your choice...

doctorno · Post by **doctorno** » Sat Jul 21, 2007 11:18 am

I am amazed how many interesting responses you can read in this thread. And after I have read your post, Jerry, I get the impression that maybe it makes a huge difference whether you have lived in the 60s, like you did, or not. I am 34 years old, so maybe the 60s are less impressive to me, although I have always loved many of the old records. Nevertheless it was Brix Smith rather than John Lennon who made me want to buy my first RIC - and just by accident it was my 325V59, not a 330, ... it was a guitar very similar to the one I had seen many years earlier on the cover of "Something New" ... rather than the one Brix is pictured with on the cover of "Kurious Orange" ...

jojo99 · Post by **jojo99** » Sat Jul 21, 2007 5:45 pm

Brix Smith! I bet that's the first time she's been mentioned on this board, good on yer.... did she play a 12 string model? I seem to recall a white 360 with a giant hamburger on the back cover of the record. You can't go wrong with lyrics like these (especially when sung through a megaphone, LOL):
"Ba-ba ba ba-ba ba ba-ba ba ba ( ..... pained and intense men)
Ba-ba ba ba-ba ba ba-ba ba ba
Ba-ba ba ba-ba ba ba-ba ba ba
Ba-ba ba ba-ba ba ba-ba ba ba
Ba-brrrra ba ba-ba-ba ba ba-ba ba ba
Ba-ba ba ba-ba ba ba-ba ba ba
Ba-ba ba ba-ba ba ba-ba ba ba

kog · Post by **kog** » Sat Jul 21, 2007 7:23 pm

Doctorno, no doubt it does make a big difference to many people where your first musical impressions came from. I know my Mom played piano and she loved the Big Bands of the 40s, and that's where her heart always was. I grew up hearing old Glenn Miller, Artie Shaw and Benny Goodman records and became a huge fan of that music. But it wasn't "my" music -- I came of age in the 60s and that's what inspired me.

Without getting too deep here, every generation has its' own music (and movies and TV and Paris Hiltons). One good thing I learned from my own Mom is not to "dismiss" today's music. Those of us at this age can remember our parents railing at the outrageous haircuts, and then I laugh when I see an old black and white TV interview of some middle-aged white guy in a crew cut wearing a skinny black tie and horn rim glasses asking Paul what he calls his haircut. And over the years I've seen orange and purple spiked hair, leather studs, all manner of hardware sticking out of various orifices, body hair showing that would've been airbrushed out of National Geographic, and I just have to think, hey, whatever floats your boat.

I love 40s Big Band, 70s pop, 80s synth and so on. I like to listen to today's music too. But what I love to play is Beatles, Byrds, Eagles, etc. And for that, ah needs me tools: Rick C63 & C58, a Gretsch CG reissue, an Epi EJ-160E and assorted other guitars that give me the vibe and the sound I'm looking for.

And along the way, I've also bought newer Teles, Strats, Les Pauls, and a beautiful new Rick 360 BBR! I like to think I'm spending my money to keep both vintage and modern options open for everyone!

But honestly, what's up with that piece of metal stuck through the tongue? I mean, come on....

doctorno · Post by **doctorno** » Sun Jul 22, 2007 3:48 am

Jo, you are confusing things. I was talking about Brix Smith, not the Beach Boys

("... Ba Ba Ba Ba(r) Ba (R)a Ann ... Ba Ba Ba ..."). As far as I remember it was a white 330 with 6 strings. Unfortunately I haven´t got the record anymore. It was one of The Fall´s weaker records but the picture was great.

Yes, Jerry, my experience was similar. Only that in my case my parents had Beatles records and I loved them when I was a child. Then, when I grew up it was AC/DC when I was 12 or 13 and The Fall, New Model Army, Siouxsie And The Banshees and things like that when I was 17. But there were also some groups that seemed to be as fresh as they had been in the 60s. When we grew up we all began listening to The Velvet Underground for example - and this music seemed to fit into the 80s perfectly. Then the 90s came and all of a sudden the Beatles´ music was back, only it was called Oasis, Blur or Suede then. Ah, those were the days.

I also played 40s big band music when I was in school. We had a good big band there and I played the guitar there for 6 years - you know, always these chords in quarter notes - and no matter what I did I was always playing too loud - at least according to the bandleader

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jwr2 · Post by **jwr2** » Mon Jul 23, 2007 3:17 am

most people continue to like the same music they listened to when they were young ... they continue to like and listen to that style or era of music all of their life ...

a few years ago I met a grumpy old man who thought that the only good music was polka ...

jimk · Post by **jimk** » Mon Jul 23, 2007 5:08 am

...a few years ago I met a grumpy old man who thought that the only good music was polka ...

ROLTFLMAO! You nearly made me spit my morning coffee all over the monitor screen I was laughing so hard.

JimK

firstbassman · Post by **firstbassman** » Mon Jul 23, 2007 6:00 am

I only mentioned the 380 because it fit the description: a 360 body with a wide neck. (Yes, I also wish it had 12 strings.)

The RCA "model" was not a production instrument and so, to me, it doesn't count.

doctorno · Post by **doctorno** » Mon Jul 23, 2007 10:11 am

Jeff, that most people continue to listen to the music they listened to when they were young is also my observation. As a music teacher I think that this is one of the reason´s why a proper musical education is so important. But I also think that the more you try to keep an open mind and open heart to new music the more you will be able to appreciate new developments and new styles of music when you are growing older.

rickenmetal · Post by **rickenmetal** » Wed Dec 19, 2007 9:22 am

In the past Rickenbacker has incorporated more modern features into its original design, such as the double truss rods and the 24 frets. I do not think they look at all dated and they still look modern (although the black trim option looks more modern on some finishes such as mapleglo, and it seems to have long been discontinued), except for those '60s British models with the f-holes which look out of place on the Rickenbacker design.

An obvious step in the future would be to incorporate the new wide neck with bigger frets on a 330, not necessarily with a maple fretboard (I kind of prefer the original lacquered rosewood), and perhaps have all 24 frets off the body for full access, as long as that does not adversely affect the balance of the instrument.

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