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Yeah; figured it was some kind of fatigue, obviously. This is what happened to the British De Havilland Comet jetliner in 1952-53; they underestimated the stresses in the rear fuselage, especially around the cabin window area.

Ever since then, and to this day, all British jetliners have used an oval shape for passenger windows, as opposed to a square shape. An oval or square has no edge or corner, hence it's much stronger.

Still strikes me as odd that this would happen to a Rickenbacker guitar; the fact that this has happened to Steve several times, and obviously alot of other folks as well, you'd think a "Fix" would have been come up with for something like this.

I'm sure the Gibson & Fender folks get a big charge out of all this; as Rickenbacker guitars are known to be on a quality level with the two aforementioned, although granted, Rickys are very "Different" kinds of guitars.

When you pick up a Les Paul, it just has that "Buttery" feel to it; the density of the solid body, etc. When you pick up a Strat or Tele, you have that wonderful "Slinky" sort of feel, etc.

Picking up a Ricky-12, is sort of it's own deal. It feels neither "Buttery or slinky", and the guitar, NOT YOU, is in charge.

The neck is too thin, there is quite a bit of "Pull" (Like you would feel on some cheaper guitars made out of lousy wood-This is NOT the case with a Rickenbacker, the "Pull" comes from the design of the instrument)

But yeah; this guitar kind of TELLS YOU how it's going to be, and you can't ever grip it like a weapon the way you would a say a Gibson SG.

You have to play by the rules of the Rickenbacker 12 string guitar; she's in charge, and if you do, THEN she'll jangle for days.

I've played them since 1980 (I was 19 at the time) and to this day, on bad days (You know, when a guitar feels like a barbed wire fence in your hands) the instrument can STILL feel "Awkward" in my hands.

It's sort of a "Code thing"; the price you pay for mid '60's bliss and jangle, for mini-skirts and go-go boots, for loud, smokey jetliners, for '66 Mustang fastbacks, for when you didn't have to leave your car doors locked, for when an adult passing a lost child only meant something helpful.

When there was still one more year left of black & white Andy Griffith shows, & Laura Petrie's Capri pants.

When people actually smiled at you, and were friendly...

For when the NBC Peacock went to "Living Colour"...

Thing is, there is no "Epiphone Ricky-12"; no half-way point, or economy guitar, that's going to take you where I just mentioned.

Funny, I owned my '67 366/12 from 1980, until just 4 years ago, and she never gave a lick of trouble. The "Warm" feeling of an older guitar is wonderful too; the aging of the wood always improving the tone, etc. I guess that's why everybody wants 'em!!

I bought my CW12 second party on ebay about 2 1/2 years ago; all the "Case candy" is there; poster, certificate, allen wrenches, booklet. I'll see if there is a way if "RIC" will replace this for free, if I send them the old "R". If not, I'll just have to scrape up the $100, and bite the bullet.

And yeah, re-stringing a 12 string Rick is sort of a focused, time consuming job, and I often will end with a little bid of blood too, at the end of the session! Image

I saw the Hard Days Night trapezes are 60 bucks, and alot easier to string up as well. Of course, that traditional "'65 360/12 look" I'm sure stays with alot of players...

This whole thing is all George Harrison's fault.



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> Surely you know all about metal fatigue (unlike "mental fatigue") from your interest in aviation, Flyboy. Either that or some bug in the manufacturing process, like a stray air bubble perhaps, who knows?
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> I've heard of this happening to others, it may be a design flaw, like the thin area where the fretboard meets the headstock where older Ricks almost always starts to crack. They should probably use a better grade of metal, such as brass, like better banjo tailpieces.
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Maybe if you stopped calling it a "Ricky" it would grow up and treat you right. LOL, of course.

Better grade of metal? Don't get me started. This has been covered time and again in this and other Forums. The alloy used in "R" tailpieces is of very high specification. There's no doubt that a percentage can go out with flaws, which are on a level not detectable to the naked eye. I think that plating might at times exacerbate this; I have heard of nitrogen embrittlement, but don't know if this affects die-cast alloys as it does steel, so I may be talking through my hat on this aspect.
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Carbon FIber R tailpieces perhaps?


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Allow me to talk through Dr. JJ's hat for a moment then...

I can't contribute much to the alloy/plating discussion (and let's not even touch on the issue of exacerbating, for the moment)...but let me just say: great post, Chris...just the kind of apt observations I enjoy in this forum. That being said, I thought I'd add that there have been a couple (or more) waves of 'Rick 12' influence throughout the topsy-turvy history of rock. My owning/playing one conjures up images of relief at the possibility of not being drafted, complete alienation living in a suburb of Phoenix, perhaps just a little too much Tolkien reading and the emergence of a British pop group called Genesis...oh yeah, and platform shoes, too...

I will certainly own another Rickentwelver at some point. And by the way, I tried butterin' a slinky once and the results were less than delightful...
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My Dad always told me that there is nothing wrong at all with occasional exacerbation, but he did say to never do it in public or discuss it with anyone, and to confine exacerbation to the privacy of the shower or behind a locked door.

Never tried to butter a slinky either Image I did have the original metal ones that would go down a staircase one step at a time, until they got pulled too hard and bent by my little sister.

They were made of a pretty good grade of spring steel though. It took a lot of tension and flexing one to make it break.

I took both my first Rick and my slinky down to the Selective Service office to register for the draft during 'Nam. We sang and played Alice's Restaurant and pretended we were sitting on the Group W bench. They never called me up Image
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Exxx-cellent, Elys...

(What were we talking about again?)
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I dunno. This thread has drifted so far, I've completely lost sight of the shoreline.

Can't use the compass, embrittlement broke the needle right off.

We could follow the seagulls and try to sail back in the right direction until we see land again. Image

But not too close behind, or they will **** on us... Image
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We sang and played Alice's Restaurant


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OMG, that reminds me of a story an ex-Navy buddy of mine told me recently...

He was stationed in San Diego at the time...on his way to the chow hall, and one of the guys he was with was swooped at by a seagull. The guy took a swing at the bird, and was caught in the act by a superior officer. The 'O' confronted him, shouting about how 'seagulls are our friends, they tell us where land is!'...The seaman was then ordered to forego chow, and stand in the courtyard saluting every seagull he saw. When my buddy left the hall an hour later, the guy was still there paying his respects to the birds...

Oh I remember now...the 'R' tailpiece! Hey Chris, let me ask you this...if your beautiful old Rolls Royce were missing the 'Lady' on top of the radiator, you'd pay whatever it takes to get a new one, wouldn'tcha...
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..plop...


Ewww, I said not too close!! Image ...yuck...

I bet Paul Wilczynski never let seagulls **** on either of his two Rolls Royce Image

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Elys, call me today if possible. Sorry to hijack the post!
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Jeepers, Bob!

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Hiya Bob! Just saw this thread for the first time tonight since you posted Image

Kinda late to call, it is after midnight and I am headed off to bed, no sleep last night or night before, it's been a real acid flashback sort of couple of days, the wireless laptop and I stayed up all night at the hospital, our 6-week old had trouble breathing so we had to check him in for obs.

No worries, email sent, with tracking number Image
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Re: Broken "R" Tailpiece

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Thanks guys for the tips about the tailpiece! I'm back janglin' again on the CW12, and it sure feels nice. :D

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