Any new models in 2004 ??

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Well, I have to admit it, you guys are right. Secretly, I have always wanted to be the "B.B. KING OF THE BASS GUITAR". Keith Richards said you should throw away the low E string on your guitar. WELL......I'm going to keep the E string on my bass........and throw away ALL THE REST!!! YEE HAH!!!! I'm going to play the **** out of that one string just like B.B. King does on his guitar. And then, to make it better, I will NEVER play above the 5th fret just like Willie Dixon. Man, oh man, I will be ROLLING in the money! Then people will say what a genius whitebread musician I am for copying a black men's style on my new instrument. To make matters even more better, I'll get the nut refiled and put on FOUR E STRINGS!!! So then I can be a quadruple bass E string five fret reverse oreo genius bassist, and when I break a string, I can just play one of the other three E strings. Better yet, I will get four DIFFERENT brands of E strings installed SO I CAN GET FOUR DIFFERENT STRING MANUFACTURERS for paid endorsements!!!! And when I install a capo, I won't have to worry about dealing with five whole frets any more. Put it on the 5th fret, and I get to only play 5 open strings. But those are DIFFERENT BRAND STRINGS, mind you, and people ought to appreciate my down home adopted delta genius for thinking it up. SO.....there you go Dave, Talent AND Wealth can mutually co-exist. Image

And let's not forget what Gene Simmons said, all this BS about gear is mostly just a bunch of nonsense. He said he refused to read gear ads and articles any more because it was mostly advertising hoopla. A bass player can use a guitar amp and a guitar player can use a bass amp, and the average fan in the audience will never know the difference. He plays for money, and makes no apologies. You can even use a Silvertone guitar or bass and people will flock to hear you like never before. My father remarked what a good guitar amp my bass amp was the last time he played through it. It definitely IS better than both his GUITAR amps for guitar, but I modified it to be such a beast. It is also a better bass amp than most other bass amps its size and power. Does it HAVE to be one or the other? It's just a good little amplifier. So all the gear talk is mainly just a bunch of horse manure like Gene Simmons said. And he's one of the biggest con artists in rock music, so he should know. Most people don't even know his real name, or that he was a grade school teacher before stardom. It's all mostly hype. People "in the know" end up with what they like, and other people end up with a bunch of **** that was sold to them by product pushers whether it be an ad copywriter or a salesman at the local Guitar Center. Gene knows that an endorser rarely walks up on stage with a box stock production instrument anyway, so you can endorse ANY brand and get it doctored to sound just about any way you like it. It just has to look like the ax in the stores that the endorsee manufactures. Most musical instruments are sold on looks and affiliation.

Oh yeah, guitar midrange is treble on a bass. Basswood is probably better for bass than guitar. I guess it's lucky they named it basswood, huh? My Marshall amp is midrangey, so maybe that is why it likes a basswood bass. It's all in how you mix the ingredients. Ampeg uses poplar plywood, which is similar to basswood, in the cabinets of their lightweight portable series, and they claim it adds to the bass tone.

I got one of my best guitars from Ed Roman (American, not cheap import, and not Rickenbacker), and my dad and brother both remarked on how good it sounded and how easy it played. He might not be a reliable authority, but he sells some good guitars at good prices. He also pushes Rickenbacker very hard........so are you saying this is highly suspect?
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Back to the subject of new models of Rickenbacker for 2004 and beyond (Phillip start your own Basswood graphite 24 fret Entwistle signiture tread!) I was thinking about what I posted earlier about a reissue. I think this is doable, Mr. Hall please listen! First let the c64 run its course after all the Beatlemaniacs and Macartney posers have one. Then release a 4001 v69. The parts are all in the bin at Ric except the wide inlay fretboard, so wip up a special run of 1000 or so.
4003 body w/checked binding, mono output
Modern truss rods
Tinted finish
Plexi trus cover
Toaster neck
Horseshoe bridge
Early pickguard
Plexi thumb rest
Vintage knobs
Silver reissue case
I am quite serious and would put in my order sight unseen. This could be an evolution of the "VP" option which is nice, but not quite enough. Anyone else want one, this is a direct pipeline to the boss?
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Post by beatlefan »

Hey Wes....I'll put my order in right now for one!! If I can stop drooling long enough to write a check....
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Well on some parts, I agree Phillip. Endorsement is ********. At least as long I'm not endorsed LOL. But endorsement is proberly why Geddy Lee plays Fender nowadays. I've just bought the Rush in Rio DVD, and feel that his earlier basssound was more beautifull on RICS. (no LTD endorsement bass, just plain RIC's!!!)

As for new models: I would see the Blackstar coming back, seen I photo of it once, and I was stunned.
Beside owning 14 guitars and basses and my own homestudio, what do I want more?
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Wes,
RIC can do the wide inlays as they are currently on some models, like my 660/12. There is no crushed pearl but the current material being used for these wide inlays are quite beautiful in their own way.

I too would gladly buy a Jetglo version of this "4001v69".

I'd also be just as happy if JH actually makes his redesigned bridge for these basses.
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Oh yeah, guitar midrange is treble on a bass.

No it's not. Midrange is midrange, whether it's guitar, bass, vocals or flugelhorn. Especially flugelhorn. Image But calling a wood midrangy, trebly, etc. has more to do with the wood reinforcing or stressing certain harmonics more than others, whatever the fundamental frequency of the note.
And let's not forget what Gene Simmons said

But what he says and what he does are two different things. He wanted his Punisher bass to have what he considered the best woods and electronics. Still, I've heard plenty of great tones from Danelectros and poor tone (and playing) from expensive "furniture" basses.
Ed Roman...also pushes Rickenbacker very hard........so are you saying this is highly suspect?

Not in the least. AFAIK he's honest in his business dealings. But he's also a ranting loony who overexaggerates so many things that he can't be considered a reliable authority.
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All daydreaming aside about one advancement over another being introduced into Ric basses, I would like to see one thing, a bridge assembly with individual string height adjustment and just a little more travel adjustment on the saddles for intonation on the 4003. It could be done and still look pretty much like the current bridge.

I, as well as other bass players would like to see that, if Mr. Hall were to introduce it I would probably retrofit it to my current 4003 right away, it could even be just a hardware option, added if the music store or customer ordered it that way. Or if you ordered the hardware from Rickenbacker directly. Since hardware is sub-contracted out, it wouldn't have to slow production down. Once it was in stock, there it would be for us to buy.

It's a dream of mine that a easy to install, good looking, well made retro-fit would be available that would allow this little more flexibility for the user in their set up. Maybe one day, we might see something like that.
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Wes, I totally with you. Just need to include the walnut wings and I'm right there!

Come on Mr. Hall - we know you've got something up your sleeve.

This would be real nice to have!

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Yep ... the current Ric bridge is beautiful to behold ... but painful to adjust ... and the biggest problem is it makes hand muting hard to do ...

then ric-o-sound is dated 2 mono outputs would be better ...

five and eight string models ... we need more of these ...
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Plenty of things up our sleeves, although we probably already have too many irons in the fire.

But surely you can appreciate that the 'Net is the last place I'm going to discuss them, based on past experiences!
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I, for one, understand your position about too many irons in the fire, John. Better you should keep the quality of your products intact than to try and increase beyond your capability, as we all do realize it is stretched pretty thin already. The "4001v69" shouldn't be too much of a stretch though compared to some of the other wild ideas floating about here, especially on the 75th Anniversary thread elsewhere.

Personally, I feel the improved bridge would be important as many 4000 series owners feel the same way about the inherent "characteristics" of this older design that can be updated given your design talents. This one thing would be very much appreciated by us, thanks.
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John, I can appreciate your situation, and I would never expect you to give away you're secrets. It does me good just to know that your out there listening.
I feel that just the idea that the president and owner of a company such as yours even bothering to read and respond personally shows a high degree of commitment. Thank you again for that, just wanted to mention the hardware idea.
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Maybe RIC can survive without having to deal with the issues that other manufacturers are facing, but in the very end I doubt it. Sooner or later, the trend hits home. I just got back from the local music store, and compared a $1250 G&L L-2000 to their Korean built Tribute counterpart that sells for about half the price. You get the same apparent workmanship level, the same pickups and hardware, the same kind of wood. I'm going to pay twice as much just because some guy in Fullerton, California, did all the work? No way, Jose. The headstock was already pulling forward on the G&L, a common failing on that model. Even my $230 OLP MM2 has a straighter, stronger headstock. Most other players will see things my way in the future, and go for the same level of quality for less money. Most others will either have lots of disposable income or are suffering from wishful drinking.

RIC has to do what they have to do, just like other manufacturers must do........or go under. They aren't going to build a model that a few dozen players a year demand. They will have to offer higher value for dollar on a constantly increasing level just like every other domestic manufacturer must do to stay alive these days. Therefore, I am going to make a reasonable wish, and one that the market demands, and one that they have already done for the most part. I want to see a bass that is patterned on the 650D guitar style. Make it as close to that design as possible while making it compatible with four big fat bass strings. Make it sell for the same price as the 650D, which is probably the main reason most would consider it against all the others it would compete against. I have a better chance of getting my wish because it is one the downward pricing pressure of the market demands, not one that I frivolously wish for. The 650D is the best value that RIC offers right now, maybe the best value they have ever offered, and a bass that looks similar and is priced similarly should have a similar success in the marketplace.
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Philip, I agree about a 6500 bass model and I was going to post that very thought. Since, it has been stated elsewhere that the 4005 would be way to expensive to re-introduce, I'd love to see some of Rick's other classic guitar designs turned into basses. The early Combo 600's the Tulip 450's, the cresting wave 450/650's, and of course the 320, 330 and 360 designs would all make great looking basses. Just my opinion and I have no idea how expensive or time consuming it would be to tool up for any of these models in a bass, but they sure would look great!
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I wouldn't mind seeing a red cedar bodied RIC guitar or bass in a clear finish. The application of basswood in solid bodied instruments opens the door for other softer woods such as spruce, cedar, or fir that might offer superior sound, especially when capped with hardwoods. Also, mesquite is even better than maple (more stable when losing or gaining humidity, plus extremely hard and strong)in a guitar or bass neck. I would like to see a "Texas Special" mesquite necked bass. Mesquite is one of those great tonewoods you probably never heard about. Somewhat rare (for something besides barbecue briquets), but I found a tonewood company that sells it for musical instrument applications. America's answer to ovangkol and wenge. RIC could be the first manufacturer to offer it in mass production. Warwick owners could eat their hearts out. In east Texas we also have a wood called "bois d'arc" that makes oak seem like wimpy wood. It might make a nearly indestructible neck, but I don't know about its stability or tonal characterictics. It makes an indestructible picnic table though. There are other woods besides the common traditional ones that could be used in musical instrument manufacture. I wonder if RIC experiments with them? Some exotic wood Rickenbackers would be nice to see. This experimentation is more musically important than endlessly reissueing what has already been done.
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