Bob - i have tried many roundwounds and i think that the stainless Rotos are the best of the bunch as far as price, sound, lifespan and availability go for ME.
As they are made literally 20mins down the motorway (highway) from me - they are the cheapest deal going by a long way.
I need that roundwound sound im my band, tho i neer go for that over the top squire sound, yuck.
Im lucky to get them to last about a month, but that goes for any roundwounds.
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Bob,
I have Eminence Delta 15s in my Sunn Sorado cabinet. With flats on my basses (Chromes or TIs) I get a very nice full range tone that isn't harsh or too glassy sounding. Even Squire used 15s and 12s for his classic tone. With the right 15" speakers you don't need tweeters unless you want that piercing high end some folks crave.
I have Eminence Delta 15s in my Sunn Sorado cabinet. With flats on my basses (Chromes or TIs) I get a very nice full range tone that isn't harsh or too glassy sounding. Even Squire used 15s and 12s for his classic tone. With the right 15" speakers you don't need tweeters unless you want that piercing high end some folks crave.
Amen to that. Actually I had JBL D140's in my Sunns which are pretty good sounding speakers, I think it was the Marshall Major that did it, they have a real bassy channel and a real trebly channel, and I played bass so didn't have much choice, and this was 1972-73 and the round wound sound was in and I wanted it, (don't know why now though) I would love to have that old Marshall back now. I use 4 ohm Eminence 15"s here in Lima with my SVT and like them, nice fat clear sound.
I was wondering what model that Sunn was, what year is it? I had two late 60's Sunn 2000S cabs with double 15"s in each, they were monsters. (especially to move, not as heavy as SVT's though.)
I was wondering what model that Sunn was, what year is it? I had two late 60's Sunn 2000S cabs with double 15"s in each, they were monsters. (especially to move, not as heavy as SVT's though.)
I've describe it in a couple posts somewhere or other, I can't remember where; The Sunn cabinet is a Sorado cabinet from '68. Unlike the 200S cabinet, which has the rear folded horn design, the Sorado has two approximately 3" ports, but the two cabinets are the same dimensions. The Sorado wieghts about 25 lbs. less than the 200S. Originally it had CTS drivers I think, the ones with the big square magnets. Since they wouldn't handle the power I was planning on putting into this cabinet and one had a rubbing voice coil, I got the Eminence Deltas. They have a very nice flat response down to around 40Hz and are rather smooth up to 5kHz, so they were ideal for this speaker cabinet.
I hadn't used a 2-15 cabinet since about '78 so the first time I gigged with it a couple of years ago I realized what I had been missing all these years. Man, what a great fill up the stage sound! This thing rocks. And I can get the Squire sound if I want, too. I usually use my Walter Woods head with it, 650 watts rms into it as the cabinet is now 4 Ohms.
I hadn't used a 2-15 cabinet since about '78 so the first time I gigged with it a couple of years ago I realized what I had been missing all these years. Man, what a great fill up the stage sound! This thing rocks. And I can get the Squire sound if I want, too. I usually use my Walter Woods head with it, 650 watts rms into it as the cabinet is now 4 Ohms.
I think 15's are great, I just use a 150w combo with a celestion 15 in it. Its a Trace Elliot, very powerful, have never put the thing above 4 in any situation, and we are a LOUD band.
Im not sure about 10's tho. I guess if you got an SVT cab with 8 of them its great, but i have gigged with a solid state SVT combo with 2 10's , and an SWR combo with 2 10's (both cases i was borrowing gear) and i thought they sounded wimpy. They were loud enough but lacked balls IMHO.
Im not sure about 10's tho. I guess if you got an SVT cab with 8 of them its great, but i have gigged with a solid state SVT combo with 2 10's , and an SWR combo with 2 10's (both cases i was borrowing gear) and i thought they sounded wimpy. They were loud enough but lacked balls IMHO.
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The 200S was the 2000S's little brother. They also made two heads: the 200S and 2000S, the 200S had 120 watts I think, and the 2000S had 200 watts.
I think 2 X 10s are for jazz players who don't use a lot of bottom, unless you have a very powerful head and very good speakers and a Ric with flats on it. If you want bottom you have to move air, the more cone area you have the more air you move, that is why SVT's use so many speakers,one SVT cab is like using a cab with more than 4 15's. (a 2 X 10 cab has more cone area than a 15)
2 x 10's in theory should just about equal a 15 but be much tighter as a 10" cone can stop much more quickly that a 15, but just don't have it unless mucho watts and very good speakers. Sealed cabs are tighter because of the same reason, the cones stop moving more quickly than a ported cab. They are less efficient however. An Ampeg SVT 8 X 10 is the best of both worlds because it can move the air and stop very quickly because it has 4 separate sealed chambers, it is really like stacking (4) sealed 2 X 10 cabs on top of each other. It has a very tight big sound.
As far as one 2 X 10 compared to a 15" I'd take the 15. One 15 can inherantly go lower than a ten all things being equal. If you want good sound from a small cab, you gotta pay for it. Small cabs are inefficient and need big amps, because they need big amps they need to be very good speakers which equates with big bucks just so you don't have to move a big cab. I too have never heard a 2 X 10 with balls. It is possible and I'm sure there are a few here who would attest to that, but very expensive as I'm sure they also would probably attest to. If you put that 650 WRMS. Walter Woods amp into a really good 2 X 10 that could handle the power it would probaly have balls, but would also be expensive. A 4 X 10 cab is a good compromise.
I think 2 X 10s are for jazz players who don't use a lot of bottom, unless you have a very powerful head and very good speakers and a Ric with flats on it. If you want bottom you have to move air, the more cone area you have the more air you move, that is why SVT's use so many speakers,one SVT cab is like using a cab with more than 4 15's. (a 2 X 10 cab has more cone area than a 15)
2 x 10's in theory should just about equal a 15 but be much tighter as a 10" cone can stop much more quickly that a 15, but just don't have it unless mucho watts and very good speakers. Sealed cabs are tighter because of the same reason, the cones stop moving more quickly than a ported cab. They are less efficient however. An Ampeg SVT 8 X 10 is the best of both worlds because it can move the air and stop very quickly because it has 4 separate sealed chambers, it is really like stacking (4) sealed 2 X 10 cabs on top of each other. It has a very tight big sound.
As far as one 2 X 10 compared to a 15" I'd take the 15. One 15 can inherantly go lower than a ten all things being equal. If you want good sound from a small cab, you gotta pay for it. Small cabs are inefficient and need big amps, because they need big amps they need to be very good speakers which equates with big bucks just so you don't have to move a big cab. I too have never heard a 2 X 10 with balls. It is possible and I'm sure there are a few here who would attest to that, but very expensive as I'm sure they also would probably attest to. If you put that 650 WRMS. Walter Woods amp into a really good 2 X 10 that could handle the power it would probaly have balls, but would also be expensive. A 4 X 10 cab is a good compromise.
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I had an old orange D145 JBL that was laying around getting dusty and decided to build a cab around it. Had it restored and re-coned with an E kit.
Went to the JBL site and followed their plans for a single 15 and now have a great sounding light weight cabinet. It's a knockoff of a Fender cab.
It's my favorite.
I have a 2-10 Euphonic Audio.
A S15-D Bag End and a D10X-D
Also a 1974 SVT Head and 8-10 straight cab.
The homemade cab rings my bell!
Went to the JBL site and followed their plans for a single 15 and now have a great sounding light weight cabinet. It's a knockoff of a Fender cab.
It's my favorite.
I have a 2-10 Euphonic Audio.
A S15-D Bag End and a D10X-D
Also a 1974 SVT Head and 8-10 straight cab.
The homemade cab rings my bell!
According to my '68 Sunn catalog The 2000S puts out 60 watts RMS and the 200S puts out 120 watts RMS. There were many variations on a theme with Sunn as they have several models that vary in their preamp feature set with the same power amp:
40 watts RMS: Solarus (combo guitar amp), Sonaro (combo bass amp), Sonic I-40, Sentura I.
60 watts RMS: Sorado, Sceptre, Spectrum II, Sentura II, 100S, 200S, Studio Sound System.
120 watts RMS: 1000S, 1200S, 1500S, 2000S, Coliseum Sound System.
The main differences between them besides the preamps were the types of speakers that came with the particular system, 1-15 , 2-15, 6-12, etc., and the brand and type of drivers in the cabinets.
40 watts RMS: Solarus (combo guitar amp), Sonaro (combo bass amp), Sonic I-40, Sentura I.
60 watts RMS: Sorado, Sceptre, Spectrum II, Sentura II, 100S, 200S, Studio Sound System.
120 watts RMS: 1000S, 1200S, 1500S, 2000S, Coliseum Sound System.
The main differences between them besides the preamps were the types of speakers that came with the particular system, 1-15 , 2-15, 6-12, etc., and the brand and type of drivers in the cabinets.
Mine 2000S had 4 6550s in it for power, it was a big head, I know it was bigger and louder than a 200S, The cabs were bigger than 200S cabs also, were giant cabs, the Sunn Colisium bass head if I remember right was over three hundred watts and solid state, was their SVT, Acoustic 360 competition. It was not very successful and was not out very long. I think it was an early 70's head.
Actually I have a Sunn site i'm going to check out right now, I'll be back. you may be right but I know 6550's are capable of 50 watts each and I seem to remember that it said 200WRMS on the back of the head.
Actually I have a Sunn site i'm going to check out right now, I'll be back. you may be right but I know 6550's are capable of 50 watts each and I seem to remember that it said 200WRMS on the back of the head.
Hi Jeffrey,
I just checked out a Sunn site, the Sunn 2000S was a 120 WRMS amp until 1970 then was beefed up and became 150 WRMS. I think mine was a post 1970, but still not the 200 watts I thought it was. The 200S puts out 60 WRMS. The 2000S cab was 48 inches high and wider than a 200S cab (same height as the 200S I think, they were wider than SVT cabs which are also 48 inches high) The Sunn Colisium I was thinking of was made after your brochure was made (they made several different colisium heads) and was a 300 watt solid state head, I remember Entwhistle used to use them.
At this site the Sunn 2000S heads and cabs are the holy grail of amplifiers, direct quote, I don't agree. I wish I still had mine though. I had the cabs and head at different times however and never had the chance to try them out together.
My cabs had JBL D140's in them which were nice speakers. I used to fit both cabs in the back seat of my 64 Chevy Bisquain (sp?) and these things were huge.
I just checked out a Sunn site, the Sunn 2000S was a 120 WRMS amp until 1970 then was beefed up and became 150 WRMS. I think mine was a post 1970, but still not the 200 watts I thought it was. The 200S puts out 60 WRMS. The 2000S cab was 48 inches high and wider than a 200S cab (same height as the 200S I think, they were wider than SVT cabs which are also 48 inches high) The Sunn Colisium I was thinking of was made after your brochure was made (they made several different colisium heads) and was a 300 watt solid state head, I remember Entwhistle used to use them.
At this site the Sunn 2000S heads and cabs are the holy grail of amplifiers, direct quote, I don't agree. I wish I still had mine though. I had the cabs and head at different times however and never had the chance to try them out together.
My cabs had JBL D140's in them which were nice speakers. I used to fit both cabs in the back seat of my 64 Chevy Bisquain (sp?) and these things were huge.
The Sunn 200S cab is 38" x 24" x 15"; the 2000S cab is 46" x 30" x 15". The height in the catalog includes the casters, so take off two inches; the sizes I just quoted do not include the casters. The Coliseum Sound System I mentioned was an early PA they offered, it has nothing in common with the later solid state Coliseum Lead or Bass amps that Squire and Entwhistle used.
Hi Jeffrey,
I was going by what the guys in the Sunn site said so they must have measured them with the castors, mine had them also, I just remember they were huge, cumbersome cabs with a lot of bottom. I guess they are pretty rare and sought after by Sunn afficianados. I remember wanting a Colisium bass head when I was young before I heard of SVT's
I was going by what the guys in the Sunn site said so they must have measured them with the castors, mine had them also, I just remember they were huge, cumbersome cabs with a lot of bottom. I guess they are pretty rare and sought after by Sunn afficianados. I remember wanting a Colisium bass head when I was young before I heard of SVT's
There was a band I was in back in '84 that had a Coliseum bass head I used, got to admit I wasn't too impressed with it. It basically seemed to be fairly midrangey without any deep bottom or extended high end to it. I don't remember the speakers I used with it as that could have been part of the reason for it's sound.