What issues does Rickenbacker have with Janglebox?whojamfan wrote:I am very happy with mine, and find it unfortunate that RIC has such an issue with them. I find mine very usable, and an important tool in getting those great 60s tones, Rick or not.
I own several compressors both rack and pedal, from $30 to $500 dollars, and for what it does, it does perfectly IMHO.
Janglebox in my future...
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I believe there is allegedly some similarity between the JangleBox and the onboard compressor circuit in the Roger McGuinn Limited Edition 370 guitar. (Somebody who knows more chime in here.)
JimK
JimK
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I didn't want to stir up any trouble, but here's an explanation of my statement based on my understanding of it. I completely understand if for some legal or other reason if Rickresource deletes this post.
RIC website will not allow you to type in the word "Janglebox", and if you try, it will be changed to Jinglebells, or something similar. RIC runs and pays for their own website, so they can do whatever they want to concerning the naming of other manufacturers at their discretion. Basically, if RIC has a problem with a person or product/manufacturer, they will block/delete/change or whatever they don't like. That is their right.
I had heard that the Janglebox was a really cool piece of gear that would aid in nailing that 60s Byrds tone. I went to their website, read all the reviews and endorsements, and decided this looked like something I would like to own. With users like Mike Campbell and Roger Mcguinn(2 guys who should know a thing or 2 about Rickenbacker sound)I figured I'd bite the bullet and give it a shot. I already had the 360/12 with toasters fitted to it, love the Byrds,Who, and the geat jangly sounds of the 60s, but something was still missing. The Janglebox, for me, seemed like the perfect solution.
I ordered one, and a few weeks later, I called to order the power supply they sell, as it is reversed, and didn't want to risk killing this pedal. I talked with someone(who I won't name as I don't have his permission) for a bit, and asked him what was the issue with RIC. I believe that someone told me RIC believed that he had copied their compressor circuit and made a pedal out of it, and that he had not, and explained some of the differences in design. That was the jist of it, and that someone didn't dwell on it or make any derrogitory remarks about RIC, but seemed a little bummed out over the whole deal.
A week later, my Janglebox arrived, and have used it happily ever since. It's a real kick in the pants, and perfect when I can't crank my Vox or Hiwatt up to get that natural tube amp compression, and gives a little something special on its own that I can't explain(no pun intended). Good little box made by a fellow Rick lover that offers the player something other compressors don't. Is it impossible to get good sounds with other compressors, of course not,but this thing is way cool.
I love my Rickenbackers and have a lot of respect for RIC and their people for all of the obvious reasons, as well as their right to their opinions. I would have bought a Rickenbacker compressor pedal in a second if they ever offered one, but they did not. They had a limited number made for a limited run of signature guitars, and that was it. I didn't buy my Rick to be a McGuinn emulator, to collect, or to be in a Byrds tribute band, not that there is anything wrong with that, so I had no interest or resource in getting the RM370. I just wanted that Beatles,Byrds,Who compressed sound when I feel like using it.
RIC, IMHO, would have scored a homerun if they combined a Ric-O-Sound box with 2 compressors in a single unit that contained a switch to use for guitar or bass for each. Imagine being able to run each pickup to a seperate location with different compression settings. Who wouldn't want that? Sorry, dreaming again.
If I have offended anyone or missed something, I apologize. I speak only of information that I interpreted through postings and a casual phone call. I assume no legal responsibility for my understanding of this situation, and wish the matter would be resolved in a mutally beneficial manner. I will, in the meantime, continue to use and enjoy both my Rickenbackers and my Janglebox.
RIC website will not allow you to type in the word "Janglebox", and if you try, it will be changed to Jinglebells, or something similar. RIC runs and pays for their own website, so they can do whatever they want to concerning the naming of other manufacturers at their discretion. Basically, if RIC has a problem with a person or product/manufacturer, they will block/delete/change or whatever they don't like. That is their right.
I had heard that the Janglebox was a really cool piece of gear that would aid in nailing that 60s Byrds tone. I went to their website, read all the reviews and endorsements, and decided this looked like something I would like to own. With users like Mike Campbell and Roger Mcguinn(2 guys who should know a thing or 2 about Rickenbacker sound)I figured I'd bite the bullet and give it a shot. I already had the 360/12 with toasters fitted to it, love the Byrds,Who, and the geat jangly sounds of the 60s, but something was still missing. The Janglebox, for me, seemed like the perfect solution.
I ordered one, and a few weeks later, I called to order the power supply they sell, as it is reversed, and didn't want to risk killing this pedal. I talked with someone(who I won't name as I don't have his permission) for a bit, and asked him what was the issue with RIC. I believe that someone told me RIC believed that he had copied their compressor circuit and made a pedal out of it, and that he had not, and explained some of the differences in design. That was the jist of it, and that someone didn't dwell on it or make any derrogitory remarks about RIC, but seemed a little bummed out over the whole deal.
A week later, my Janglebox arrived, and have used it happily ever since. It's a real kick in the pants, and perfect when I can't crank my Vox or Hiwatt up to get that natural tube amp compression, and gives a little something special on its own that I can't explain(no pun intended). Good little box made by a fellow Rick lover that offers the player something other compressors don't. Is it impossible to get good sounds with other compressors, of course not,but this thing is way cool.
I love my Rickenbackers and have a lot of respect for RIC and their people for all of the obvious reasons, as well as their right to their opinions. I would have bought a Rickenbacker compressor pedal in a second if they ever offered one, but they did not. They had a limited number made for a limited run of signature guitars, and that was it. I didn't buy my Rick to be a McGuinn emulator, to collect, or to be in a Byrds tribute band, not that there is anything wrong with that, so I had no interest or resource in getting the RM370. I just wanted that Beatles,Byrds,Who compressed sound when I feel like using it.
RIC, IMHO, would have scored a homerun if they combined a Ric-O-Sound box with 2 compressors in a single unit that contained a switch to use for guitar or bass for each. Imagine being able to run each pickup to a seperate location with different compression settings. Who wouldn't want that? Sorry, dreaming again.
If I have offended anyone or missed something, I apologize. I speak only of information that I interpreted through postings and a casual phone call. I assume no legal responsibility for my understanding of this situation, and wish the matter would be resolved in a mutally beneficial manner. I will, in the meantime, continue to use and enjoy both my Rickenbackers and my Janglebox.
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It's a very good point about the limited number of RM circuits out there in circulation (1000 or so?), when considering the apparent level unhappiness by RIC over this matter. Frankly it amazes me.
The Jangle Box hasn't been offered as a "built-in kit" either so I dont think anyone could accuse the JB people of trying to devalue 370RM's. Lets face it nothing would.
I know nothing of the "legal" stuff around all this nor do I care to. Pity these two parties aren't working together really.
It's a great gadget and I've always found Steve to be very helpful, especially when I wanted to source mine from here in Oz, he even helped me out with some Byrds TAB's a while back. Try getting parts or anything from RIC when you live in Oz
I know nothing of the "legal" stuff around this nor do I care to. Pity these two parties aren't working together really.
Si.......
The Jangle Box hasn't been offered as a "built-in kit" either so I dont think anyone could accuse the JB people of trying to devalue 370RM's. Lets face it nothing would.
I know nothing of the "legal" stuff around all this nor do I care to. Pity these two parties aren't working together really.
It's a great gadget and I've always found Steve to be very helpful, especially when I wanted to source mine from here in Oz, he even helped me out with some Byrds TAB's a while back. Try getting parts or anything from RIC when you live in Oz
I know nothing of the "legal" stuff around this nor do I care to. Pity these two parties aren't working together really.
Si.......
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Sometimes I think John Hall and his cohorts are a little too sensitive about things like this. Fred Gretsch can be the same way. As was stated, if they wanted to, Rickenbacker could have released a Roger McGuinn compressor for your pedalboard and been done with it, but they chose not to. So, when an enterprising guy like Steve Lasko one-ups them, they get ****** and accuse him of stealing their idea. No offense, John, but get over it and work on fulfilling your back orders instead.
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" Imagine being able to run each pickup to a seperate location with different compression settings. Who wouldn't want that? Sorry, dreaming again."
Mike, that's what I do with both my rewired twelves and it's very, very nice. I had previously tried Ric-O-Sound and it didn't trip my trigger. I wanted more control over the sound, so I went to independent wiring, similar to that which I've used on some of my basses since 1972. Each twelve-string has three pickups with the neck and bridge combined in a typical Rick 5-knob system and a middle pickup on it's own circuit with just a volume knob. One guitar has a neck toaster, a middle toaster and it's bridge pickup is a high-gain with a toaster cover. The other twelve has neck and bridge toasters and a middle converted high-gain. Both guitars use Y-cords run either into separate amp channels or through a small mixer and then into one channel. Along the way, I can drop in whatever effects gizmos I want. Normally, my favorite is just to compress the regular (neck/bridge) circuit with the Janglebox, sometimes also with a little chorus pedal stuck in there and then fill out the overall sound by adding some straight Rick sound (set bright, but not modified much) from the middle pickup circuit. The sixth-knob (volume pot for the middle pickup) acts as a quick on-board mixer, controlling the amount of non-modified (unstomped?) fill I'm adding. I haven't really found much need to compress both channels, but you can come up with some interesting sounds with all of the possible combinations.
Y-cords and twin channels are somewhat more trouble to fool with than just plugging one plain cord into an amp and starting to play, but the system sounds great. Both guitars are also set up so that if you do plug a normal mono cord into the regular neck/bridge circuit and stick the other end into an amp, it works just like any standard Rickenbacker - which we all know ain't half-bad all by itself.
Sound sample (the twelve doesn't come in for a bit, but you'll certainly know which guitar it is when you hear it). This is my 370/12WB with the J-Box on the main circuit and a little bit of the mid-pickup circuit added in. They're both run into a little mixer and then into my Traynor bass amp head and then out to the recorder.
http://webpages.charter.net/tbradshaw/M ... f/saw3.mp3
Mike, that's what I do with both my rewired twelves and it's very, very nice. I had previously tried Ric-O-Sound and it didn't trip my trigger. I wanted more control over the sound, so I went to independent wiring, similar to that which I've used on some of my basses since 1972. Each twelve-string has three pickups with the neck and bridge combined in a typical Rick 5-knob system and a middle pickup on it's own circuit with just a volume knob. One guitar has a neck toaster, a middle toaster and it's bridge pickup is a high-gain with a toaster cover. The other twelve has neck and bridge toasters and a middle converted high-gain. Both guitars use Y-cords run either into separate amp channels or through a small mixer and then into one channel. Along the way, I can drop in whatever effects gizmos I want. Normally, my favorite is just to compress the regular (neck/bridge) circuit with the Janglebox, sometimes also with a little chorus pedal stuck in there and then fill out the overall sound by adding some straight Rick sound (set bright, but not modified much) from the middle pickup circuit. The sixth-knob (volume pot for the middle pickup) acts as a quick on-board mixer, controlling the amount of non-modified (unstomped?) fill I'm adding. I haven't really found much need to compress both channels, but you can come up with some interesting sounds with all of the possible combinations.
Y-cords and twin channels are somewhat more trouble to fool with than just plugging one plain cord into an amp and starting to play, but the system sounds great. Both guitars are also set up so that if you do plug a normal mono cord into the regular neck/bridge circuit and stick the other end into an amp, it works just like any standard Rickenbacker - which we all know ain't half-bad all by itself.
Sound sample (the twelve doesn't come in for a bit, but you'll certainly know which guitar it is when you hear it). This is my 370/12WB with the J-Box on the main circuit and a little bit of the mid-pickup circuit added in. They're both run into a little mixer and then into my Traynor bass amp head and then out to the recorder.
http://webpages.charter.net/tbradshaw/M ... f/saw3.mp3
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Wow Todd, that was really nice. My wife and I enjoyed the somg very much, and that 12 is really awesome. I am currently having some pickups modified to do different things for my 6 and 12 string Ricks. I had seen your post before with that guitar, and immediately ordered a toaster cover, only to realize later that it was a little bigger job than my limited skills can perform.
I have a little different plan for these pickups and how I'm gonna wire these things up. Hopefully, it'll be cool and work out for me like yours did for you.
Is there a way to get more of your music as we really enjoyed the whole song and would like to hear more?
I have a little different plan for these pickups and how I'm gonna wire these things up. Hopefully, it'll be cool and work out for me like yours did for you.
Is there a way to get more of your music as we really enjoyed the whole song and would like to hear more?
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Mike, we're working on getting some music available. The old band got together for the first time in over 30 years to play a reunion earlier this month (looked like a bunch of old farmers sitting around playing guitars) and in the process we dug out a whole bunch of old studio cuts on tape and started digitizing them. We have two old albums, one of which we own the rights to and Elektra/Rhino/Warner owns the other. If we can talk them into re-releasing it or letting us do it (and if they succeed in finding the masters) that would make two CD's. We have enough other stuff that was never released to make two more CD's, so eventually we could have four available without ever even stepping into the studio. The song you liked is actually a time capsule. We recorded it 33 years ago and from day one I always wanted to put a Rick twelve on it, but we didn't have one back then. Well, we certainly have one now, so when we dug up the old tape and digitized it, I dubbed the twelve in with my Korg D1200 deck. Then I sent mp3 copies to the guys and said - "See, this is what I was talking about!" The "new" Cd's will span everything from the early, folky stuff to the later, more electric tunes. I have very limited space in my web closet and use it for work , so I rotate stuff in and out frequently, but there are some other samples in there at the moment.
http://webpages.charter.net/tbradshaw/Music%20stuff/
"Midwestern Highway" is an early acoustic one
"Get Right With God" is one of the later, more contemporary tunes.
"Hard Years" is one of my old songs. That copy is a quickie scratch cut that I multi-tracked one afternoon in my office so that the rest of the band would have something to practice with for the gig since we're spread all over the country and only had a couple days to rehearse. One of these years, we'll get together and do a real studio version. It's kind of hard to plan these things when the band has members living in Seattle, San Francisco, Nashville, Chicago, Pennsylvania, Florida and Wisconsin but we're hoping to do a few more live gigs and try to get back into the studio when we can fit it into everybody's schedules. In the mean time, we're working on getting a little website set up and some Cd's made. It's kind of amazing to think that all this nice music has just been sitting in a box in someone's basement for more than 30 years.
http://webpages.charter.net/tbradshaw/Music%20stuff/
"Midwestern Highway" is an early acoustic one
"Get Right With God" is one of the later, more contemporary tunes.
"Hard Years" is one of my old songs. That copy is a quickie scratch cut that I multi-tracked one afternoon in my office so that the rest of the band would have something to practice with for the gig since we're spread all over the country and only had a couple days to rehearse. One of these years, we'll get together and do a real studio version. It's kind of hard to plan these things when the band has members living in Seattle, San Francisco, Nashville, Chicago, Pennsylvania, Florida and Wisconsin but we're hoping to do a few more live gigs and try to get back into the studio when we can fit it into everybody's schedules. In the mean time, we're working on getting a little website set up and some Cd's made. It's kind of amazing to think that all this nice music has just been sitting in a box in someone's basement for more than 30 years.
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Great news on getting the band back together and getting those tunes out there. Good luck with it and keep us posted.
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Hope you all don't mind mind me dragging up an old post but this is a special occasion for me. I just received my JangleBox today. Holy Brass Bell's but does the JB brings out the best in a 360/12. I am stunned. I've been fiddling all night with it and all I can say is WOW! The Carillon of Dayton doesn't chime that beautiful! I've been reading about the JB for two years and finally did it!
It's probably already been done on the RRF but heck, I'm so pleased I'm going to post a snippet of samples. Again, hope you don't mind.
Alright ... to the meat. There are four parts to this track. This is the intro to Chime's Of Freedom ala Roger McGuinn. It's mp3 but @ 320k so it's fairly clear.
http://chapmanjones.com/mp3/JB-Test.mp3
[1.45 minutes @ 4.1 MEG]
Done with a 360/12, natchally, with Pyramids and using both neck and bridge pup. (Apologies for the tickiness in the recording... I have to isolate that ....
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1) Straight 360 to mixer as dry as can be.
2) JB on Bright, Gain @ 5 o'clock and Attack @ 3 O'clock
3) JB Bright (same settings) to DanEcho to mixer
4) Vox 847, JB to DanEcho to mixer
The JB, no doubt about it, brings out the best, I mean the absolute best in my 360/12. Unbelievable! The sustain will last until my next birthday! I'm still playing to find the sweet spot but dang.... I'm truly impressed. I never thought I'd hear this in the Open Aire Studio ....
Steve L !! I thank you!
Chap
It's probably already been done on the RRF but heck, I'm so pleased I'm going to post a snippet of samples. Again, hope you don't mind.
Alright ... to the meat. There are four parts to this track. This is the intro to Chime's Of Freedom ala Roger McGuinn. It's mp3 but @ 320k so it's fairly clear.
http://chapmanjones.com/mp3/JB-Test.mp3
[1.45 minutes @ 4.1 MEG]
Done with a 360/12, natchally, with Pyramids and using both neck and bridge pup. (Apologies for the tickiness in the recording... I have to isolate that ....
)1) Straight 360 to mixer as dry as can be.
2) JB on Bright, Gain @ 5 o'clock and Attack @ 3 O'clock
3) JB Bright (same settings) to DanEcho to mixer
4) Vox 847, JB to DanEcho to mixer
The JB, no doubt about it, brings out the best, I mean the absolute best in my 360/12. Unbelievable! The sustain will last until my next birthday! I'm still playing to find the sweet spot but dang.... I'm truly impressed. I never thought I'd hear this in the Open Aire Studio ....
Steve L !! I thank you!
Chap
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You're most welcome, Chap. Great job with "Chimes" and glad you're enjoying your JB.lcjones wrote:Steve L !! I thank you!
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OK, that clinches that. I'm getting one of these guzzmos.
JimK
JimK
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You won't be dissapointed with it Jim, they really deliver the goods.
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Does as well for a 660-12.lcjones wrote: Holy Brass Bell's but does the JB brings out the best in a 360/12.
The JB, no doubt about it, brings out the best, I mean the absolute best in my 360/12.
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The first thing I did after I secured the deal on my 36012 MG was start the JB search. Got a good deal on a used one off a guy on the Gear Page. Great combination.
If you have RIC 12 .... grab one !!!!
If you have RIC 12 .... grab one !!!!