Azureglo?

[sloop_john_b]

Is this Azureglo? I'm a little confused because it's got a John Hall-era headstock, and I don't think Azureglo was around during that time.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Rickenbacker-360-El ... 286.c0.m14

[paologregorio]

It looks like AG Blue to me. A refinish maybe? The fisnish looks slightly orange-peel-y, although Paul W has mentioned that this could be due to finish shrinkage.

[deaconblues]

According to Mike Parks' page, Azureglo ran until 1985. I'm not a headstock expert, but it looks like it could be early-'80s to me. When did they start making the big ones?

[lennon211]

Looks like AG to me too. It's that "drowning victim blue". By the way John, nice avatar. Just don't pull a piece on the lane.

[jdogric12]

OVER THE LINE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[jingle_jangle]

Donny, just shut the...

[jdogric12]

Say what you will about the tenets of national socialism, Dude. At least it's an ethos.

[wj350]

Not being too well versed on the differences, if that's Azureglo, what's the difference between it and Midnight Blue?

The first guitar looks similar in finish to this one at the Zoo to my eye anyway.

Bill

[deaconblues]

AZ is brighter, and not a metallic color. The MID guitar at Music Zoo is actually that dark in person.

[jingle_jangle]

Careful not to judge either color from photos. I offer the following two examples of a '68 AZ Rick. Both photos are of the same geetar, and are on the same sale page.

[deaconblues]

I guess what I mean is that the guitar at the Zoo looks pretty close to MIDs I've seen in stores.

[jingle_jangle]

Dan, my comment wasn't specifically directed at you or anyone in particular, for that matter. We all know the difficulties of trying to define colors with words; we know that photos are useless in nailing down exact shades, and the same goes for color monitors, although a good graphics monitor that's calibrated and certified will present a reasonable facsimile of a color created on a similarly-vetted monitor.

Color chip charts for paint (not inks, like a PMS fan represents), such as the ones you pick up in a paint store, or the ones you will see at a body shop supplier, are actually made of sprayed-up paint on special paper. Printing in this case cannot capture the color close enough to be any real use as reference material, when doing something as important as matching a fender (irony/sarcasm).

We're talking about paint here; we in many cases are discussing aged or weathered paint. I have seen with my own eyes four different colors represented as "MID", and I suspect that Sod's Law would give us another couple more. I've also seen three different AZ colors, ranging from an almost bright French Blue (like a Bugatti, but darker...words fail me) to a deep Cerulean. It is true, however, that AZ is non-metallic, whereas MID is metallic or pearlescent, depending on vintage. The latest MID I saw at the factory reminded me of a '67-8 Pontiac color called "Tyrol Blue", which is a shade or two darker than '66 Chevrolet Marina Blue...

...At least in my memory. That's worrying to me. I dunno, maybe they were the same color? Better find those GM chip books...

[wj350]

Thanks guys, even without the photos the distinction between metallic and non-metallic finish makes a lot of sense to me as far as defining the difference. I've not seen either color in person.

Bill

[deaconblues]

We all know the difficulties of trying to define colors with words; we know that photos are useless in nailing down exact shades, and the same goes for color monitors, although a good graphics monitor that's calibrated and certified will present a reasonable facsimile of a color created on a similarly-vetted monitor.

Absolutely true!

So, back to the original question: refin or original model? What year did big headstocks appear?