"Every Little Thing" questions

[wolfgang]

No, I don´t think so. Matchbox was recorded earlier. There was no 325/12 yet. On Matchbox John plays his 325/Miami, he plays a complete part from the intro on, plays the solo (even using the accent vibrato), just all in one take. But he misplayed the solo, so he had to overdubb it.
George played his 12-string. I do believe, Lennon bent back the vibrato arm of his 325/Miami after the recording of Matchbox because of frustration, having misplayed the solo.
It is said, Carl Perkins was in the studio. And Lennon just wanted to doublicate his perfect
Long tall Sally performance, recorded just a week or so earlier

to check, compare the stereo version to the real british mono version (in the States and here in Germany they used the stereo version combining both channels to mono).

Wolfgang

[deaconblues]

How do you know some of this stuff, Wolfgang?

[Scastles]

How do you know some of this stuff, Wolfgang?

Curious myself. Like where did you get your info. Long Tall Sally, according to Mark Lewisohn, was recorded in March of '64, and Matchbox was recorded three months later.

[wolfgang]

the dates of the recordings come from the Levisohn`s books, the Carl Perkins thing I read somewhere. And one of the best sources are the recordings by itself.
If you`ve got good mono and stereo recordings and a headphone and a sound editor on your p.c, that helps. And John plays the same on the Beatles at the beeb version, the solo introduced by Ringo: rock on John for me or something like that.


And my 325V63. I felt like Lennon, when I had it new in August 2002 .

I used to play bass thirty years ago, but I can`t play the guitar properly, just enough to get an idea of how they made it.

Wolfgang

[wolfgang]

Matchbox was recorded on 1st of June (Lewisohn p44)
Long tall Sally was recorded on 1st of March. O.K., three month earlier,
you are right. But they did not record in the meantime.
He finished with Long tall Sally (with I call your name, to be serious) and started with Matchbox.
They recorded Every little thing on 29th and 30th of September.
Wolfgang

[Les]

This musical anthropology is fun. I'll have to give matchbox a closer listen.

I went so far as to put the stereo mix of ELT in the daw and do some things like center channel cancelling.
I solved the "hitting cardboard box" sound on the second downbeat question. It's mic bleed. They used monitors rather than headphones in the vocal tracks! it is not heard on the first downbeat because the compression on the vocal track ducks it out. From the delay the monitor was about 10 meters from John's position. Talk about latency!

I went to the local music store/school and arranged to rent a drum kit to do the fills, since even the best drum machines
don't sound good with rolls. I'm not a drummer, but I think I can do the simple fills. I might as well do the fills on Day tripper
as well...I think that will be the next song. I'll give them to Wes... He must be about to do day tripper too, since he just
bought a stratocaster. And...i'll get to use my new tambourine!

Right now I'm practicing the lennon acoustic bit as much as my fingers will allow. I have a little trouble getting the d to barred b minor chord change sounding clean. I need to do an action job on my guitar or switch from the heavy strings.


Les

[Les]

I think this is a pic of john and paul recording the lead on every little thing. It's kind of hard to tell if that is in fact
the 325 12 john is playing, but I think it is.

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[Les]

Well i'm recording today. With normal tuning there is no way I can get that 12 sound with the 360 12.
So...I capoed at the second fret and tuned down. Fingerboard pickup with a touch of bridge pickup for a little bite.
NAILED IT! It's easy to play too with the lower string tension. I kept it out of tune a little too like the original. That's easy when using a capo on a 12!

You know, I like that sound. Slightly mandolin like. I could see a 325 12 in my future...

Les

[tennis_nick]

This thread made me think of take 2 of That Means Alot.

That first little lick sound A LOT like the guitar in Every Little Thing.... could it be the 325/12 as well?

[JakeK]

George's 360/12OS, maybe? John retired the 325/12 after the "Every Little Thing" session.

As it's been said, "Ticket to Ride" was NOT the last song the 360/12OS appeared on, but it made some use on "I Need You" as well, and probably this song. What about "Wait"? What guitar was doing the tone pedal swells? The 360/12 or a Strat?

[Les]

Well, here"s the mix from today. As usual .MP3 screwed it up and took out the dynamics. On the 24 bit file the timpani /piano really goes KABOOM as it should. I still have to replace the ****** fill sample with real, tuned low, damped ringo toms.

I can't sing on this one. I just can't reach the high notes.

If anyone wants any part of this (it has about 40 24 bit tracks) you are welcome to it. Every instrument is on a separate track.

http://www.lmwatts.com/music/everylittlething6jul.mp3

Les

[bee_atles]

Nice job

[deaconblues]

WOW, you were right about the twelve part - that tone is PERFECT! I wish I had a 325/12 too, but time and finances will tell...

Someone record a drum track!

[wolfgang]

this is the sound!

In reverse there is a high probability John's 12-string was delivered with 10s and therefore had a "3 half tones lower" string tension. What pickup setting did you use?

Wolfgang
p.s. restring a 325 with 10s and tune it 3 halftones up, does it sound like a 330/6 capoed
on the third fret?

[Les]

Well. I was just using Rick presswound .010-.042, the standard set. These strings are about 3/4 gone, so fairly dead.
I did have to raise the bridge a tiny bit to stop buzzing.

Without the capo/tunedown, the sound was all wrong. Kinda like the Byrds did the song or something.

Of course the 360 12 has one less pickup, but I found the fingerboard pickup was closest. On the original recording
there was a little bite to it so I blended a little (25%) bridge pickup.

After tuning I wiggled the capo a little to knock it out of tune like the original!

Then I had to deal with the biggest problem...I was running a vintage Fender 30, not an AC30TB. So I just alternated between the original and the new recording and fished for the sound dragging bandpass FFT EQ with the mouse. As is typical, the fender needed about a 1 octave (-3db points) wide boost of 6 db at 325 hz. It tuned right up to the boxy low midrange of the vox. Kinda like tuning a guitar. Oh, the fender had the bright switch on. I recorded fairly loud ( a little overload) with an sm57.

I used little compression, since the original had little sustain.

With flatwound strings and a real AC30 it would have been even better I imagine.
Would love a 325 12, but this was about $3000 cheaper...

I wonder if it would work with a 360 6 to get an emergency 325 6 sound if one was not available?

I love the action with the reduced tension, even with the strings raised a bit. Do 325s have a good action as well?