Model of the Week Four: The 4005 family

[JakeK]

Since I don't own a 4005, I'll post some John Entwistle pics and a video of him using 4005 basses

A Lightshow (used on tours during 1972-1974):
http://www.rickresource.com/stt-researc ... 4005LS.jpg
Thanks to the main RickResource site for this picture!

A '66/'67 Mapleglo used on "The Seeker" (appearently owned by a fellow named Simon Mole, who has an impressive collection of Rics!):
http://rickbeat.com/gallery/simonmole/j ... 5-edit.jpg
http://rickbeat.com/gallery/simonmole/4 ... n-edit.jpg
Thanks to Rickbeat.com for the pics!

John "plays" "I Can See for Miles" on his 4005MG


The debate on what bass(es) John used on "Tommy":
Even though John recalls using a P-bass (weither it was his trusty "Frankenstein" or what, I don't know), I swear that "Tommy, Can You Hear Me", "Sally Simpson" and "We Not Gonna Take It/See Me, Feel Me" sound like the 4005 with the toggle switch in the bridge posistion.

My thinking is that the truss rod system (and John's bass tech) got better by the time he picked up the MG 4005 in 1968, and it could handle the Rotosound strings John was endorsing at the time. John probably was more cautious and aware of the string gauges he was using, too.

[sloop_john_b]

Even though John recalls using a P-bass (weither it was his trusty "Frankenstein" or what, I don't know), I swear that "Tommy, Can You Hear Me", "Sally Simpson" and "We Not Gonna Take It/See Me, Feel Me" sound like the 4005 with the toggle switch in the bridge posistion.

Not at all! I've always compared the bridge pickup of a 4005 to making the bass sound almost like a baritone guitar - the tone on those songs does not sound like a 4005 to me at all, in any pickup position.

If that's not a palm-muted Precision with Rotosounds, i'll eat my hat.

[JakeK]

Too bad he's gone so we can't simply ask him these questions.

[sloop_john_b]

Too bad he's gone so we can't simply ask him these questions.

Keef is still alive, have you asked him about the Rick 12 on "Mother's Little Helper" yet?

[berth]

I borrowed ChrisP's 4005 for some months and still know how surprised I was at the tone of the instrument. I made an mp3 with all my Ricks and the 4005 after eachother playing the same bars of ehhh music and put a Poll on our Dutch Bassplayer forum to see if anyone could recognise the 4005 parts out of this mp3.

Is there any interest in me running this poll over here also?

[sloop_john_b]

I borrowed ChrisP's 4005 for some months and still know how surprised I was at the tone of the instrument. I made an mp3 with all my Ricks and the 4005 after eachother playing the same bars of ehhh music and put a Poll on our Dutch Bassplayer forum to see if anyone could recognise the 4005 parts out of this mp3.

Is there any interest in me running this poll over here also?

Sure.

[JakeK]

Go for it

[rickinroma]

Can we assume that F-hole 4005s would be RM 3261? Were all F-holes bound? Hmm.

Paul, I know a person who bought an f-hole one back in 69...he is in Florence, Italy...the same as Gary Clauson's one...and it is still mint conditions

AFAIK, the 4005 with f-hole was never known as 3261, in Italy

...and NO he does NOT sell it


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[woodyng]

somewhere out there may be lurking a smothers brothers show video of steppenwolf,featuring nick st nicholas playing a 4005...it was the first time i ever saw one. did the 4005 have the same bass-diminishing electronics as the 4001? when i had one years ago,i remember thinking the rear pickup was much lower in output than the neck pickup....

[sloop_john_b]

did the 4005 have the same bass-diminishing electronics as the 4001? when i had one years ago,i remember thinking the rear pickup was much lower in output than the neck pickup....

Bridge pickup definitely has the cap, and is placed in a pretty horrible position anyway. I always found it pretty useless. Luckily, the sound of the neck pickup more than makes up for it.

[jps]

Mine lacks the cap so I can get some nice tones from the bridge toaster, almost Jaco-like with the tone control rolled off some.

[libratune]

Late to the party again:

1965 4005 MG

[nov_1981]

Bridge pickup definitely has the cap, and is placed in a pretty horrible position anyway. I always found it pretty useless. Luckily, the sound of the neck pickup more than makes up for it. [/quote]

John I agree, by itself the bridge pickup sounds too hollow
but IMHO the 4005 sounds best with the neck and bridge pickup's combined

Although my 4005 has high gains

[berth]

Late to the party again:

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Untill recently I didnt even know 4005's of my birthyear ('65) excisted...... I read in more than one place that '66 was the first year.

[bassduke49]

According to my "research," 1965 was the first year for the 4005. Most I've come across were '67s, though. Then another batch with newer high-gains from the late '70s as I recall. By comparison to the contemporary 4001, the 4005 was pretty rare.