Fender "Road Worn" guitars for 2009

[kenposurf]

That line "they will not break the bank", does that mean they are Mexican made?

If so, I may actually buy one. I like the 50's and 60's type Pbasses made in Mexico

I believe these are MIM..if you favor one I will also once again suggest one of Bill Nash's guitars when your ready for a step up....

So, what is the price differential from a MIM to a BN?

A Nash will cost you +/- $1100-$1400 on the bay....but you're getting nice things like Jason Lollar pups..top quality electronics and hardware plus if you like em, Bill does the best relic work out there

[jps]

Not as expensive as I thought, but that's used. How much for new?

[britinvasion]

but thats the point, they are NOT "vintage". But the point is well taken... the scorn should be on the wannabees who buy these things, not on Fender.
I guess when you're a company who has a history of making ****** guitars you'll try anything. OOps, did I say "******"? I have a Tele Thinline and it's not
******.... maybe "overrated" is a better word to use.

at Brammy's Break-Em-Up, the that LP goes for $5,300. Git 'em while they last.

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Brammys Break-Em-Up....Awesome!!!!!

[sloop_john_b]

Not as expensive as I thought, but that's used. How much for new?

Last time I checked, around $1700 or so.

[ajish4]

A Nash will cost you +/- $1100-$1400 on the bay....but you're getting nice things like Jason Lollar pups..top quality electronics and hardware plus if you like em, Bill does the best relic work out there

TOO FUNNY! I just saw a Bill Nash Jazz yesterday a Wolfe Guitars in Jupiter. It even had CRUD on the chrome plate, tarnished bridge...it SURE looked like a beat up 1965 era. With the exception of the new frets and pickup covers, I'd have bet it was a moldy oldie.

The guy was laughing because I told him it would kill me, I'd have to try to clean it up! He said his wife was in the store yesterday and asked for some cleaning materials to "clean up" that old bass....he laughed and said "No, we PAID for it to look that way"! He also have a 59 P I believe...they SURE looked real with the exception of the lack of the FENDER logo on the headstock. It had a strange attraction, I'm sad to say...Janey thought it was cool as well.

[jingle_jangle]

In all honesty, all the bashing Fender gets for making these guitars is somewhat undeserved. Fender and their designers are not a bunch of idiots. They are in business, like every other business out there, to make money. If there wasn't a demand for these ridiculous abominations, Fender would stop making them so fast you wouldn't remember them long enough for jokes.

But the truth is, SOMEONE out these wants these things, Fender makes 'em 'cause people buy 'em. Why, I'll never know. If anybody deserves any grief over these things, it's the people buying them, not those who are filling that demand.

Worst excuse I've ever seen for this pandering, and everytime the subject comes up, the same comment gets hauled out.

The fact that money can be made, is not a good reason to produce over-priced ****, except from one viewpoint, which unfortunately is the most cynical--profiteering. Profiteering seldom yields anything at all of intrinsic value. In this case, this stuff will get traded in a limited manner, until the bubble of overpriced relics finally bursts.

Their "designers" (such as they exist), in fact, are slaves employees whose shots are called by the marketing department. The marketing department is blessed with the task of spreading the brand to increase profits, and decisions that actually consider validity of yet another line of relics in an already-overcrowded marketplace, seem to be missing.

Nothing against fairly-priced relics like Nashes. It's just that they're simply not my taste.

[wayang]

So cjj has it right, in part: there's a 'bunch of idiots' in the equation, alright, but it's not Fender's designers. It's their clientele.


(ps: Egad! 3000 posts...)

[cjj]

In all honesty, all the bashing Fender gets for making these guitars is somewhat undeserved. Fender and their designers are not a bunch of idiots. They are in business, like every other business out there, to make money. If there wasn't a demand for these ridiculous abominations, Fender would stop making them so fast you wouldn't remember them long enough for jokes.

But the truth is, SOMEONE out these wants these things, Fender makes 'em 'cause people buy 'em. Why, I'll never know. If anybody deserves any grief over these things, it's the people buying them, not those who are filling that demand.

Worst excuse I've ever seen for this pandering, and everytime the subject comes up, the same comment gets hauled out.

The fact that money can be made, is not a good reason to produce over-priced ****, except from one viewpoint, which unfortunately is the most cynical--profiteering. Profiteering seldom yields anything at all of intrinsic value. In this case, this stuff will get traded in a limited manner, until the bubble of overpriced relics finally bursts.

Their "designers" (such as they exist), in fact, are slaves employees whose shots are called by the marketing department. The marketing department is blessed with the task of spreading the brand to increase profits, and decisions that actually consider validity of yet another line of relics in an already-overcrowded marketplace, seem to be missing.

Nothing against fairly-priced relics like Nashes. It's just that they're simply not my taste.

I agree with you completely, Paul. I'm not trying to defend Fender, just saying if people didn't want them, Fender wouldn't make them. And yes, Fender being the company that they are these days, much like the one I work for, cares far more about the bottom line than anything else. True, I should have said Marketing not Designers...

I'm just glad that RIC wants to make great instruments at a good value for the customer. And, I'm happy to hear that it doesn't seem like their current leadership wants to jump on the MBA bandwagon of increasing profits and growth at any cost.

[jingle_jangle]

Ha! Cjj, we are of one mind on this. It's a topic close to my heart (true added value, not smoke and mirrors). I firmly believe that the USA had two major influxes of Harvard MBAs (one in the mid-'60s, and another in the late '80s), and their "philosophy" and buzzwords have become endemic to our consumer culture, and not in a positive way, because their approach blesses anything that creates profits, without regard to validity. Bottom line: creativity goes underground, and culture suffers as a result.

I've worked on both sides of the fence, and thankfully my job now is encouraging young soon-to-be professionals to stand up and make their own choices using crtical faculties, not just toeing the chalkline of greater profits.

[wj350]

Feel free to heap your scorn on me then. I like them. I like relics. YMMV.

Not from me Mike. I've never even held a relic guitar, but I admit an attraction to some I've seen--Music Zoo carries quite a few of these, and I was deeply in lust with a relic'd shell pink Esquire they offered a while back. I've admired Nash's work as well.

I'd be willing to give one of these a try--I'd certainly not decide at this point they're "over-priced ****" without even giving them a spin...my personal experience with the Fender Classic series instruments has been very good--I've owned, or still own a couple--Classic '50s Strat (sold), Classic '60s Strat, Classic Player's Baja Tele. First-class instruments, IMO, especially at their price point. These appear to be taking the lineage a step further up the chain--lacquer finishes, things like that.

I'd liken them to trying a pre-weathered pair of jeans--all the good parts, without all the "newness" surrounding them.

Bill

[wayang]

You know, in the time it takes to get as good as a famous guitarist, you could 'relic' your own guitar...and by then, you'd deserve one...

(Not to overstate the obvious...)

[kiramdear]

Used guitars are the real relics. If you want your new guitar to look used, then PLAY IT, MAN! Who wants to look like a poser?

[winston]

Used guitars are the real relics. If you want your new guitar to look used, then PLAY IT, MAN! Who wants to look like a poser?

I have a few of those. A relic who owns real relics...................

[kiramdear]

I'd feel funny if my new guitar had more signs of age than I do. Fortunately that's an unlikely prospect

Hey, there's an idea!

The next trend will be players aging their faces prematurely to look more like Keith Richard .

[jimk]

Hey, there's an idea!
The next trend will be players aging their faces prematurely to look more like Keith Richard and Patti Smith.

eewwwwwwww yuckkkkkkk!
JimK