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Remember how we had the thread of "old Rickenbacker misconceptions", that we had all heard over the years. This old urban myth ought to be put to rest with those too.
We all rave about the quality not having had the amazing ups and downs of some of the instrument manufacturers over the years, but I keep hearing this weakened neck joint repeated, I can't see it. I personally know other bass players with them, no problem with theirs either.
I have had and seen multiple examples of the old Fender 3 bolt neck made during the CBS years allowing for lateral twisting, that has been a demonstrated problem verified over and over again.
This later model set neck 4001S supposed weakened neck joint problem I have never seen, It would have to literally snap off at the body. The only way that could be a problem is if you created damage beyond the design criteria for a neck joint system that is put together with very strong resin epoxies that guitar makers use.
Maybe if you dropped it, yes, but what are we talking about there. That is a situation that no one wants to face, or try to predict. Some of the 70's Les Pauls had a volute on their necks that supposedly made them more susceptible to breaking off at the headstock if dropped. Wow! Now that is not rocket science territory there. You drop your guitar, something could break!
All I'm saying here is that your mileage may vary, but I don't care if the supposed, "expert", has a Ph.D. in physics, I want to see control tests, conducted in the scientific method over a period of time. That means you'd have to either recreate the neck-thru joint and the set neck and put differing pressures in different positions, or break a lot of Ric basses. This ain't gonna happen. So it's all anecdotal, mine is the force of 20 years of observations of personal owners and their stories, I've seen nothing. Then the repeated story has no one who seems to be able to back the "weakened neck joint", stories up with any proof that they do anything bad.
I live near Nashville and have heard George Gruhn say some things that was proven later to be wrong. He was going on his years of observation and knowledge of the facts at the time. Some facts came to light that proved his observation incorrect. He's human too, he makes mistakes. He used that information and adjusted his story from there on out.
Now, as a learned guitar talking head, I am going to cast my bread out upon the waters here. I believe that the weakened neck joint to be absolute drivel. Do I think that some kind of extraordinary damage may have occurred due to external forces being exerted on a late model 4001S and caused a small number to fail, maybe?
I don't however want to start dropping a few to find out how they survive the, "three foot drop test". That is my, "expert", opinion. Worth about what you paid for it.
We all rave about the quality not having had the amazing ups and downs of some of the instrument manufacturers over the years, but I keep hearing this weakened neck joint repeated, I can't see it. I personally know other bass players with them, no problem with theirs either.
I have had and seen multiple examples of the old Fender 3 bolt neck made during the CBS years allowing for lateral twisting, that has been a demonstrated problem verified over and over again.
This later model set neck 4001S supposed weakened neck joint problem I have never seen, It would have to literally snap off at the body. The only way that could be a problem is if you created damage beyond the design criteria for a neck joint system that is put together with very strong resin epoxies that guitar makers use.
Maybe if you dropped it, yes, but what are we talking about there. That is a situation that no one wants to face, or try to predict. Some of the 70's Les Pauls had a volute on their necks that supposedly made them more susceptible to breaking off at the headstock if dropped. Wow! Now that is not rocket science territory there. You drop your guitar, something could break!
All I'm saying here is that your mileage may vary, but I don't care if the supposed, "expert", has a Ph.D. in physics, I want to see control tests, conducted in the scientific method over a period of time. That means you'd have to either recreate the neck-thru joint and the set neck and put differing pressures in different positions, or break a lot of Ric basses. This ain't gonna happen. So it's all anecdotal, mine is the force of 20 years of observations of personal owners and their stories, I've seen nothing. Then the repeated story has no one who seems to be able to back the "weakened neck joint", stories up with any proof that they do anything bad.
I live near Nashville and have heard George Gruhn say some things that was proven later to be wrong. He was going on his years of observation and knowledge of the facts at the time. Some facts came to light that proved his observation incorrect. He's human too, he makes mistakes. He used that information and adjusted his story from there on out.
Now, as a learned guitar talking head, I am going to cast my bread out upon the waters here. I believe that the weakened neck joint to be absolute drivel. Do I think that some kind of extraordinary damage may have occurred due to external forces being exerted on a late model 4001S and caused a small number to fail, maybe?
I don't however want to start dropping a few to find out how they survive the, "three foot drop test". That is my, "expert", opinion. Worth about what you paid for it.
Excuse my ignorance, but could someone please broaden my horizons as to when and till when were set necks made?
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