Anyone can play a fretless

[teb]

"But what Jaco does with "A Remark You Made"...if that doesn't just about reduce you to tears in the finest way musically possible, I can't imagine what would."

I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on that one. My reaction to that tune is more like "it's too bad they didn't have a bass player to fill out the sound and hold up the bottom end". Especially during the portions when the other guys are playing solos, the bass isn't contributing anything to the overall tune. The bass solos are OK, but remind me of somebody trying to play a trombone solo on an instrument that can't quite do it and strike me as a bit clumsy and a little bit pitchy in places. There were several spots during the song where I was dying to hear a good, solid low bass note to anchor everything down and maybe even provide a little rhythm, but they never happened. Oh well, what do I know? Your mileage, of course, may vary. If we all liked the same stuff, the world would be pretty boring.

[wayang]

Okay, I give...as me ol' dad used to say, "That's why they make some red cars and some blue cars"...

[basmansam]

"But what Jaco does with "A Remark You Made"...if that doesn't just about reduce you to tears in the finest way musically possible, I can't imagine what would."

I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on that one. My reaction to that tune is more like "it's too bad they didn't have a bass player to fill out the sound and hold up the bottom end". Especially during the portions when the other guys are playing solos, the bass isn't contributing anything to the overall tune.

You're missing the point- "A Remark You Made" Was wriiten by Joe Zawinul as a vehicle for Jaco Pastorius to showcase his lyrical style of playing. If you listen to the song you will notice that Wayne Shorter takes a beatiful solo while Jaco plays "The" bass line. I agree - we disagree.

[teb]

I'm not missing the point at all, and I listened to all of it twice. I just didn't like it, which is my privilege as the listener. I thought his "lyrical style" was a bit clumsy as a bass player and left the whole tune very weak on the low end. I would have much rather heard a good horn player play most of those lines. You certainly don't have to agree with me, but what I said is my honest opinion, formed as I listened to the piece - and you aren't going to change that.

[wayang]

Easy now, fellers...it's unbecoming of bassists to get 'shrill'...let's just walk it back down into the lower register, shall we?

How about we lighten the mood a little (whilst staying on topic, of course)...



Ah, that's what I call 'bottom end'...

[basmansam]

I'm not missing the point at all, and I listened to all of it twice. I just didn't like it, which is my privilege as the listener. I thought his "lyrical style" was a bit clumsy as a bass player and left the whole tune very weak on the low end. I would have much rather heard a good horn player play most of those lines. You certainly don't have to agree with me, but what I said is my honest opinion, formed as I listened to the piece - and you aren't going to change that.

Like I said above- I agree we disagree!!

[wayang]

Thanks to all of our contestants...

...and now. if there are no further objections:

[teb]

"Like I said above- I agree we disagree!!"

That's cool. There are plenty of different varieties of tea out there to fill one's personal cup with.

[wayang]

Or, in my case, "pipe"...

[cassius987]

There are tons of things I love that I can't understand someone else NOT loving. Realizing that I myself am often guilty of not opening to new forms of great music, I have tried to keep a really open mind lately and to be receptive to everything.

I have been enjoying Jaco since before I played bass and before I knew what fretless was. Conversely I have paid little attention to guys like Jamerson. However, I don't think the two of them are diametrically opposed. They both fill the same role, they just have a different approach about it.

I'm surprised to see this kind of debate on a RIC-centric forum! Have we forgotten Chris Squire, who has set the stage for progressive-styled bass players for decades to come? Justin Chancellor definitely comes to mind as a great player from the mid-90s to the present, and I can definitely hear Squire's influence in his work. The same goes for Paul d'Amour.

Ultimately, whatever style of player you are, if you keep the groove together while enforcing the harmony on a low-register stringed instrument, you're probably a bass player.

[rictified]

I don't know but I sure dug that Lawrence Welk stuff, nothing like a little bubble music to start off the day. Ah one and a two and ah three! Dug that tuba too, that guy could really play, I played the baritone horn when I was a kid. The six Fair Dutchmen Orchestra, all eleven of them!

[wayang]

Hey, Bob...yeah, baby, rise 'n' shine! I think it's actually The Six Fat Dutchmen Orchestra (all eleven of 'em), but with Lawrence's legendary 'delivery' it's a little hard to tell for sure...

...and as this thread proves beyond the shadow of a doubt, it's quite possible for two people to hear the same thing completely differently...

(Hey man...check out the black rhythm section in the 'Adios...' Welk clip...bass player with a 'fro, and both of 'em sportin' facial hair! That wouldn't fly in Buddy Rich's band...guess ol' Lawrence might not have been such a bad boss, not as bad as Buddy anyway...although I don't know how those brothers played that LW cheez with a straight face for so many years. I'm sure they got one of the best steady paychecks in shobiz rhythm section history, but it'd take more than one stiff drink before I could look at myself in the mirror after each of those 'tapings', if it were me)

Oh yeah, one more thing...(sorry, thread drift AND rambling)...did you hear, in the tuba cat's intro, Lawrence explains that Harold Loofahmeyer, or whatever, used to be 'Dick Dale's' boss...(the 'other' Dick Dale,the LW singer)...as we learned recently, that's 'shamustwins' childhood friend's dad...the world just keeps gettin' smaller!

Okay, back to squabbling about whether Jaco is 'clumsy'...or whatever ya'll wanna talk about, I'm up for anything...

[johnallg]

The six Fair Dutchmen Orchestra, all eleven of them!

I wonder what kind the other 5 were?!

And Dane, good hearing - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six_Fat_Dutchmen

[rictified]

Hey, Bob...yeah, baby, rise 'n' shine! I think it's actually The Six Fat Dutchmen Orchestra (all eleven of 'em), but with Lawrence's legendary 'delivery' it's a little hard to tell for sure...

...and as this thread proves beyond the shadow of a doubt, it's quite possible for two people to hear the same thing completely differently...

(Hey man...check out the black rhythm section in the 'Adios...' Welk clip...bass player with a 'fro, and both of 'em sportin' facial hair! That wouldn't fly in Buddy Rich's band...guess ol' Lawrence might not have been such a bad boss, not as bad as Buddy anyway...although I don't know how those brothers played that LW cheez with a straight face for so many years. I'm sure they got one of the best steady paychecks in shobiz rhythm section history, but it'd take more than one stiff drink before I could look at myself in the mirror after each of those 'tapings', if it were me)

Oh yeah, one more thing...(sorry, thread drift AND rambling)...did you hear, in the tuba cat's intro, Lawrence explains that Harold Loofahmeyer, or whatever, used to be 'Dick Dale's' boss...(the 'other' Dick Dale,the LW singer)...as we learned recently, that's 'shamustwins' childhood friend's dad...the world just keeps gettin' smaller!

Okay, back to squabbling about whether Jaco is 'clumsy'...or whatever ya'll wanna talk about, I'm up for anything...

I caught that Dick Dale remark but... didn't want to think about it. I gotta go watch the brothers play with a straight face now.

[wayang]

Oh, don't worry, Bob...you don't have to keep a straight face...