If I leave my 360 12 in the case for say a week or two I find that the strings have all gone sharp (uniformly so) so I have to
bring them down a bit to tune it. I am in the St. Louis area with mild humidity this Summer, but I would have thought that
the strings would, if anything go flat.
What's pitching them up, then? Paul?
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Strings go sharp in case?
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Re: Strings go sharp in case?
My strings go sharp if it's really humid out too, not uniformly though, it's happens on all strings, but mostly on the unwound ones.
Turns out it's a set up issue, because it used to happen on my Gretsch a lot, but after a good tech set up the nut, they're uniformly imperfect again!
Turns out it's a set up issue, because it used to happen on my Gretsch a lot, but after a good tech set up the nut, they're uniformly imperfect again!
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Don't blame me...I haven't been anywhere near St. Louis in years...donnellbw wrote: What's pitching them up, then? Paul?
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It's because the neck is colder when you are not playing it so much. If you play it for a while without tuning it the warmth of your hand will make the neck shift forwards a bit and the pitch will drop slightly (back in tune)
Have you ever noticed that your guitar action goes horrible with too much neck relief on a summers day at a long gig?
and in the winter you may have to add more relief in the neck to stop those rattles...
The wood in a guitar neck usually expands and shrinks at a far greater rate than the metal truss rods which makes the neck change relief during the various seasons of the year. Some more than others...
The pitch raising as you mentioned is due to the cold neck going a bit straighter and therefore raising the pitch of the strings.
Newer Rickenbackers due to the change in the truss rod design seem to be a bit more prone to seasonal shift than an older ones..
Eden.
Have you ever noticed that your guitar action goes horrible with too much neck relief on a summers day at a long gig?
and in the winter you may have to add more relief in the neck to stop those rattles...
The wood in a guitar neck usually expands and shrinks at a far greater rate than the metal truss rods which makes the neck change relief during the various seasons of the year. Some more than others...
The pitch raising as you mentioned is due to the cold neck going a bit straighter and therefore raising the pitch of the strings.
Newer Rickenbackers due to the change in the truss rod design seem to be a bit more prone to seasonal shift than an older ones..
Eden.
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Paul,
I was not ACCUSING you!! Its just that I always think of you as the "Treebeard" of all things "entish" (Lord of the the Tree Rings) - you know, Master of wood molecules, grain Sage, and density Diviner.
I'm from your stomping grounds having attended USF for my undergrad and Stanford for my MFA in Theatre. Out here, we
retreat to our "getaway" chalet down in the (YEE-HAH!) Branson, Table Rock lake area. Real estate out here is easily 1/3
the cost of California!
I do have fond memories of the Bay Area like the time I caught John Cippolina of Quicksilver waiting to go on at that club
(name escapes me) all the way up University Avenue on the left near the campus. We sat down on the floor and he took time to explain to me how he modded the Bigsby on his "batwing" SG to help keep it in tune. What a nice man. Those were the days when players were still people first.
Anyway, thanks for you art and wit. By the way, RICs are about as scarce out here as Fiat Abarth Zagatos. And thanks to all
who replied!
I was not ACCUSING you!! Its just that I always think of you as the "Treebeard" of all things "entish" (Lord of the the Tree Rings) - you know, Master of wood molecules, grain Sage, and density Diviner.
I'm from your stomping grounds having attended USF for my undergrad and Stanford for my MFA in Theatre. Out here, we
retreat to our "getaway" chalet down in the (YEE-HAH!) Branson, Table Rock lake area. Real estate out here is easily 1/3
the cost of California!
I do have fond memories of the Bay Area like the time I caught John Cippolina of Quicksilver waiting to go on at that club
(name escapes me) all the way up University Avenue on the left near the campus. We sat down on the floor and he took time to explain to me how he modded the Bigsby on his "batwing" SG to help keep it in tune. What a nice man. Those were the days when players were still people first.
Anyway, thanks for you art and wit. By the way, RICs are about as scarce out here as Fiat Abarth Zagatos. And thanks to all
who replied!
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I've got a Branson keychain...gift from Mom. I use it for the keys for my Fiat Abarth...
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Paul,
Does the exhaust note on the Abarth go "sharp" after you've had it in the garage for a week or two? Back in California my Dad used to have a Ferrari 250 Spyder roadster, metallic blue with calfskin upholstery and a 5 speed spring loaded gearbox, deep-dish Borrani wire wheels and the Enrico Nardi "signed" wood rim steering wheel. He actually took a second at the Pebble Beach Concours D'elegance one year (we had a weekend cottage right behind the second hole of the golf course).
Anyway, as he would drive along the freeway listening to classical music with the top down, he would call my attention
(with a wink and a nod) to the 4 tipped ehaust note, asking: "I think that's about an Fb wouldn't you say?" One year he was
a turn marshall on #2 for the Pebble Beach road races. But he always had music around the house during our formative years.
His knowledge of especially Italian cars he readily shared his enthusiam for, and taught me a lot about for example the
difference in the stylistic approaches of the different coach makers.
With Fiat managing Chrysler I wonder if the Alpha will hit the U. S. again?
Happy Summer, Paul
Does the exhaust note on the Abarth go "sharp" after you've had it in the garage for a week or two? Back in California my Dad used to have a Ferrari 250 Spyder roadster, metallic blue with calfskin upholstery and a 5 speed spring loaded gearbox, deep-dish Borrani wire wheels and the Enrico Nardi "signed" wood rim steering wheel. He actually took a second at the Pebble Beach Concours D'elegance one year (we had a weekend cottage right behind the second hole of the golf course).
Anyway, as he would drive along the freeway listening to classical music with the top down, he would call my attention
(with a wink and a nod) to the 4 tipped ehaust note, asking: "I think that's about an Fb wouldn't you say?" One year he was
a turn marshall on #2 for the Pebble Beach road races. But he always had music around the house during our formative years.
His knowledge of especially Italian cars he readily shared his enthusiam for, and taught me a lot about for example the
difference in the stylistic approaches of the different coach makers.
With Fiat managing Chrysler I wonder if the Alpha will hit the U. S. again?
Happy Summer, Paul
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Re: Strings go sharp in case?
There are plans for exactly that, Donnell.
And, incidentally, though I think you know this, it's ALFA, as in "Always Looking For Another" (to drive while the one is being fixed...)
And, incidentally, though I think you know this, it's ALFA, as in "Always Looking For Another" (to drive while the one is being fixed...)
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Hey Donnell
Where in the St. Louis area do you reside? I'm in Webster Groves. Do you know any other Forum members in the area?
Where in the St. Louis area do you reside? I'm in Webster Groves. Do you know any other Forum members in the area?
The world is made of stories not atoms and every guitar has a story.
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Would that club be the famous Keystone Berkeley? Peace, out.....Goofyfoot.donnellbw wrote:.......I do have fond memories of the Bay Area like the time I caught John Cippolina of Quicksilver waiting to go on at that club (name escapes me) all the way up University Avenue on the left near the campus. We sat down on the floor and he took time to explain to me how he modded the Bigsby on his "batwing" SG to help keep it in tune. What a nice man. Those were the days when players were still people first.
Play on, pick often, jam with any Rickenbacker, and prosper.
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Paul, right your are on my spelling. It's been years since I owned my 2000 and 1300 roadsters.
Dr. Bob, I am in up north in "old Ferguson" 2 blocks up from the old train staion. I don't know any other members in the area.
Goofyfoot, Yes! That's it! The Keystone, where you could stand right up in front of the small stage and be about 3 feet away from your favorites. In my case, John Cippolina, but just playing through a Twin. The only time I saw him use his signature
"amp stack" now in the rock and roll hall of fame was at the old Avalon ballroom off Geary Street in San Franscisco.
Dr. Bob, I am in up north in "old Ferguson" 2 blocks up from the old train staion. I don't know any other members in the area.
Goofyfoot, Yes! That's it! The Keystone, where you could stand right up in front of the small stage and be about 3 feet away from your favorites. In my case, John Cippolina, but just playing through a Twin. The only time I saw him use his signature
"amp stack" now in the rock and roll hall of fame was at the old Avalon ballroom off Geary Street in San Franscisco.