Horseshoe pickup on the CS Bass

[jps]

I am not familiar with the album, but I would venture to say that his perceived increase in harmonics and top end is due to his possibly plucking/picking the strings at a place he did not previously have access to.

[marc61]

Love the Tool bass sound. I'll have to look into his methods and doings with the CS bass. Then start a thread in the artists section

[cassius987]

What is everyone's opinion of his tone on that album?

Best album featuring a Ric to date?

*ducks*

[rickenbrother]

What is everyone's opinion of his tone on that album?

Best album featuring a Ric to date?

*ducks*

I would go as far as saying one of the very best. D'Amour's Rick tone is killer on that album. I can understand why it's your favorite.

[Benjamin]

It is one of the most aggressive Ric albums ever made. Maybe this thread should go elsewhere?

An equal vote for me was an Australian post-rock band called Ricaine. A JetGlo 4000 with Bartolini pickup. The albums are chock full of Ric goodness and I was fortunate to have seen these guys many times in intimate pub settings. Needless to say I frequently went away with Ric lust. Damn you Ricaine!

If nobody else starts another thread soon I will put my hand up -> Ric Bass Tones on Record: Most Aggressive

Given there are different flavours, we should probably distinguish: Smoothest (Beatles, and?), Best Classic (YES, Rush, The Jam and?), Most Aggressive (TOOL, Ricaine).

There were also a number of prominent Australian Ric Bass players: Ricaine, Magic Dirt, Powderfinger, Eskimo Joe (on latest album) and maybe an old Echo and the Bunnymen (were these guys Aussie).

I'll end the thread derail here and start a new one http://rickresource.com/forum/viewtopic ... 2&t=391339

[johnallg]

The magnetic shoes sense string motion in all planes and since a string vibrates in a figure 8 pattern it will always be sensed and will make the notes sound rounded or "fatter" - in basic sound, not bassier tone. The RIHS sounds almost identical to a current higain.

Okay, I was not absolutely sure when I hastily posted that, and I have been corrected by an impeccable source. The string vibration pattern is a helix, which is also three dimensional, and the magnetic field made by the shoes (shoes and alnico rods for the RIHS) will sense the full pattern of the string vibration.

[rickaddict]

... It was reported somewhere that Pal D'Amour from early TOOL actually removed the shoes from the HS pickup on his CS. Apparently it yielded more harmonics and top end. Listening to Undertow you could almost believe that, however I don't have a clear reference for the sound of a CS...

I've had two 4001V63's and a 4001C64S which I've removed the horseshoes on and I haven't noticed any more harmonics or top end. I'd be more inclined to agree with Jeff Scott here:

I am not familiar with the album, but I would venture to say that his perceived increase in harmonics and top end is due to his possibly plucking/picking the strings at a place he did not previously have access to.

[Benjamin]

Makes sense it does.

[stevebasshead]

...Not all vintage shoes were open more in the middle. I have shoes from an 8 pole Rick steel and they are just like the factory RIHS shoes, flatted in the middle...

When I look closely at Chris Squire's I think his are the same, flattened...either they were like that from the factory or it's from years of pressure under his huge hands

The shoes would not have been bent on the lap steels since the "fretboard" on a lap steel is flat, and therefore the strings are all in the same plane. Bending the shoes up in the middle would have only been done for the basses since there's a radius to contend contend with that causes the A and D strings to hit the shoes if they are too close.

My shoes are from a 8 pole lap steel and have a gentle bend upwards too, the two opposing sides are definitely not parallel. I wonder if Ric had simply standardised or consolidated their production methods when the were making HS's for basses at the same time as for lap steels and of course would have to allow for the curved fingerboard of the basses.

[seyesbass]

Heres a link to some 1999 sounds I have uploaded onto my Myspace.
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fu ... =399737824
I recently came accross some lost tapes from the early/mid 80s that had my RM1999 #DA24 on.
The 1st track is "Happiness is a warm gun" by the Beatles.
I did an arrangement for the band using my new drum machine and a Roland synth for us to learn and play onstage as a band.
The 12 string acoustic on HIAWG is the Yamaha I bought the day I saw the 60s 4005 in A1 music that the Stone Roses eventually bought.
I wish i had used the money for a deposit on the 4005MG it was only £699!
Track two is an isolated bass track of DA24 that I took to practice acoustic rhythm over at home when we were putting the song together.
Track three is DA24 again with me trying out a (then) new Quadraverb effects unit with some hi-hat in the background.I was going to do a Rick drum'n bass song but never finished it!
Track four is the backing track to the earlier song wirth a Rick 360/12 on it.
Those tracks are with a transistor preamp no compression or valve drive etc. so its just the mono(apart from the Quadraverb) sound of the rick and nowt else.
Let me know what comparisons you guys make with the CS and other RMs.

[soundmasterg]

If I get a chance, I'll use my Extech meter (same one RIC uses) to measure the AC resistance, Inductance, Capacitance, and Q of the RIHS with covers and without covers to see if there is any difference, and I'll post results here on a new thread. It may be awhile before I can though.....lots going on here that is more important.

Greg