325C58 / Trapeze?

bill_yantz · Post by **bill_yantz** » Sun Jun 06, 2004 3:13 am

Will a trapeze tailpiece fit on the existing Vibrola end bracket?

It just won't stay in tune with the Vibrola and I am not sure I want to put the B5 on it right now. I think the trapeze will be a more stable tailpiece and the guitar will stay in tune better. I use Pyramid 13s.

Thanks in advance for any and all comments.

jwilli · Post by **jwilli** » Sun Jun 06, 2004 3:17 am

Yes, the trapeze will fit on the Vibrola end bracket. No mods needed.

bill_yantz · Post by **bill_yantz** » Sun Jun 06, 2004 3:21 am

That was quick - Thanks John. Anyone got a trapeze they want to sell?

mike_d · Post by **mike_d** » Mon Jun 07, 2004 5:54 am

yes, I do. I had a trapeze on my 325c58 for a few weeks while my bigsby was being modified. It fits right over the vibrola end bracket. 20 bucks plus shipping. Send me email if you are interested. [email protected] thanks

johnhall · Post by **johnhall** » Mon Jun 07, 2004 7:20 am

Bear in mind that the Kauffman can be immobilized, acting just like a trapeze but retaining the original appearance. It's just a matter of removing the Kauffman's cover, placing the assembly on a metal surface like the typical anvil area of a vise, and giving the central axle rivet a tap or two with a ball peen hammer.

Unlike the originals, the modern Kauffmans have a stainless steel aircraft rivet that's quite durable so it's difficult to make a mistake and damage it in this process.

I've pinned a number of units this way and it works like a charm.

bill_yantz · Post by **bill_yantz** » Mon Jun 07, 2004 12:09 pm

Thanks John for the info on pinning the Kaufman. I think it will be of interest to others as well. I am going to take Mike up on his offer and keep the Kaufman functional. But, if Mike's wasn't available, I would pin it.

mike_d · Post by **mike_d** » Mon Jun 07, 2004 1:52 pm

Hi, Bill. You I just sent you an email about the trapeze. I like the idea of pinning the kaufman, too. They do look so cool!

beatlesgear · Post by **beatlesgear** » Tue Jun 08, 2004 11:41 am

The tailpiece on my refinished Capri is pinned, it hasn't budged, so it works. I don't mind the look of the trapeze on a C58, even though this:

http://www.voxtalks.com/images/maple_310_12_C58_fg.JPG

isn't your regular run of the mill C58, you get the idea, it looks pretty nice and works well with a string with no problem.

jwilli · Post by **jwilli** » Tue Jun 08, 2004 12:06 pm

Heh, thats one UG-LEE gee-tar....

Oops. I've got one just like it...

jwilli · Post by **jwilli** » Tue Jun 08, 2004 12:07 pm

..except that mine ONLY has 6 strings! Nice one Nick!

bill_yantz · Post by **bill_yantz** » Wed Jun 09, 2004 6:51 am

Nick, you are truly blessed, no doubt.

If you had to choose one between the two for tuning stability, which would it be , the Kaufman pinned or the Trapeze?

Thanks for everyones' responses, its very much appreciated.

beatlesgear · Post by **beatlesgear** » Wed Jun 09, 2004 11:31 am

They both work great, it's going to depend on whether or not you can deal with the arm being in your way, if you're not going to put the trapeze on.

As far as my C58 12 string guitars go, they are gems and I'm very thankfull to Mr. Hall for making it happen. There are only 3 of them in the world, I have two and Henry McGuinn has the other one.

admin · Post by **admin** » Wed Jun 09, 2004 1:55 pm

Very very cool guitars Nick.

bill_yantz · Post by **bill_yantz** » Wed Jun 09, 2004 2:36 pm

Nick, do the tunners perform adequetly on the C58 12-string? I have been considering a newer 330/12 and wonder if the tuners could be changed without much modification. Seeing your 12-string makes me wonder if the RicTites would be a good mod.

BTW, I have removed the arm on the Kaufman as it gets in the way, as you know. I am going to go with the Trapeze however, thanks.

beatlesgear · Post by **beatlesgear** » Wed Jun 09, 2004 4:09 pm

I don't think the Ric-Tite is available from the factory, it's the same as the flat back PU on the 325C58, there is no way to order it. I just about freaked when I opened the box and saw those tuners on the headstock, effing cool! This 12 string is an amazing guitar, it has the thickness of the C58 neck and is quite easy to play, it even has the right heel too. Easier to play than the 325/12V63s that were issued in '99. With the factory strings on it, it was plug and play, it sounds like the Byrds all the way. I'm wondering if being made from maple has anything to do with it's perfect tone. Henry's guitar is made from alder, it is a 3 pick-up FG model with 2 'oclock f hole. I should give hima call and ask what he thinks of his.

Besides, why change the tuners on a 330/12, they sell a lot of those guitars without any BS, it's good guitar on its own right out of the box.