This is the complete mix featuring the 4001/12 bass project mentioned in this thread
'ROME' has been marinating for a couple of years now - finally got it mixed... in 2009 no less!
I think this is the first song I've done that eclipses the 8-minute mark. Not saying that's a good thing; not saying it's bad thing - I'm just sayin'.
Directions: Play at high volume.
ROME
Re: ROME
OK - I'll put my post here as well....
Mark, I'm liking this very much... nothing simmering just beer here. Are the drums differnt somehow from your usual offerings? Love the bass layerings... the tone as usual is great. All in all another great effort.
a good way to end a year and start a new one!
And loud does make it even better!
Mark, I'm liking this very much... nothing simmering just beer here. Are the drums differnt somehow from your usual offerings? Love the bass layerings... the tone as usual is great. All in all another great effort.
a good way to end a year and start a new one!
And loud does make it even better!
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Re: ROME
Mr. Walker,
I just listened to you music...very cool, good, eerie and haunting. Here's the compliment; very Bauhaus to Dali's Car, very Peter Murphy! Good work, yet original. I applaud...
...wisdom
I just listened to you music...very cool, good, eerie and haunting. Here's the compliment; very Bauhaus to Dali's Car, very Peter Murphy! Good work, yet original. I applaud...
...wisdom
Indian Folklore and Wisdom—Love, Learn, Listen
Re: ROME
Thanks Tom. The notion of "A good way to end the year" is what spurred me on to get this one done & mixed before 2009 concluded. I've been terrible at getting my tunes recorded in a timely manor, and improving my "song-per-year" ratio is a definite goal. Hopefully I'll actually get up to a "song-per-month" ratio, or - dare I say - a "song-per-week" ratio.
The challenges in getting ROME in the can were it's length and the abundant instrumentation I chose to build it. It also became one of those things that expanded as I tracked it. I'd discover yet ANOTHER guitar part that I thought sounded cool, etc, and the choir part (at about the minute & a half mark) was an after-thought, too. Then came the synths - I had very particular lines in mind, but the more I messed with the voice patches, the more I heard parts to add in other sections, and on and on the "vicious cycle" goes. Usually I'm pretty heavy-handed at editing my own stuff and keeping the excess to a minimum, but all the layering on 'ROME' seemed to work well to my ear... so in it's essence it lies!
Tom - I may have tuned the snare a little differently, but otherwise I think I mixed the drums the way I usually do. The drums are the old Alesis HR-16, the same machine I use for all my recordings. Real drums are ideal of course, but I don't have all the mics I'd need to capture a kit sufficiently. Plus, there's the convenience factor.
The lo-fi drums in the beginning & outro are real, however. That's me stumbling through the beat just to capture the part as self-reference when the idea came to me. It was recorded with my old hand-held cassette recorder on a drummer-friend's kit. I liked the raw quality of that rough capture, and I thought it worked perfectly for representing the life-continuum role in the context of the theme of build and downfall.
Paul - interesting advice on supporting the vocal hook (I know, I know...) Cool that you took note of how things were panned. True, symmetry does lend to strength (as well as amplitude) when placing a part in the stereo spectrum, but symmetric balance in this song is already predominant in the lead vocal track, choir, bass, rhythm guitar parts, synths, and drums. So within that frame, I like to place other featured parts off-balance to make things more interesting and less predictable. Yet, even within all that, I still try to achieve a certain balance. The "I Knows" to the left are offset by the add'l bass hook on the right. The melodic guitar hook on the left during the intro & outro is countered by the quiet whisting part on the right, & so on.
Joe - thanks for the kind comparisons. I'm a big Peter Murphy fan, so I'm quite honored to draw that similarity in your mind!
Here are the lyrics, just for clarity's sake. (Yeah... sing with me, kids!)
I know, I know...
This isn't how we planned it
Our best intentions hit the ground and fall apart
I know, I know...
We worked so long to save this
But now it's only suffering; just set it free to die
Our souls leave outlines on the place
We were before we lost the race
We've wallowed here for a thousand years
The sinking sand up to our ears
You've p*ssed upon your bleeding crown
And watched your empire crumble down
And I can see the river rising again
I know, I know...
This grand design was altered
We set the fire and walked away and closed out eyes
I know, I know...
We led the lamb to slaughter
We turned our backs and left the babes for wolves to find
Bring them home, and share their lives
Was on your list of things-to-do
But it's too late, they've grown and moved on
They've gotten used to life without you
They wonder why you even try
To touch them as you say goodbye
And I can see the river rising again
Is this all?
Trying to find my place in a time of need
Is this all?
Anaximenes in a world that has ceased to be...
Where the will of the new
Comes to rise once again
Around us lies the home we held so close
It is this that kills me most
But we never stopped because we once believed
In the writing in the sand
ROME
© 2009 by Mark Walker
The challenges in getting ROME in the can were it's length and the abundant instrumentation I chose to build it. It also became one of those things that expanded as I tracked it. I'd discover yet ANOTHER guitar part that I thought sounded cool, etc, and the choir part (at about the minute & a half mark) was an after-thought, too. Then came the synths - I had very particular lines in mind, but the more I messed with the voice patches, the more I heard parts to add in other sections, and on and on the "vicious cycle" goes. Usually I'm pretty heavy-handed at editing my own stuff and keeping the excess to a minimum, but all the layering on 'ROME' seemed to work well to my ear... so in it's essence it lies!
Tom - I may have tuned the snare a little differently, but otherwise I think I mixed the drums the way I usually do. The drums are the old Alesis HR-16, the same machine I use for all my recordings. Real drums are ideal of course, but I don't have all the mics I'd need to capture a kit sufficiently. Plus, there's the convenience factor.
The lo-fi drums in the beginning & outro are real, however. That's me stumbling through the beat just to capture the part as self-reference when the idea came to me. It was recorded with my old hand-held cassette recorder on a drummer-friend's kit. I liked the raw quality of that rough capture, and I thought it worked perfectly for representing the life-continuum role in the context of the theme of build and downfall.
Paul - interesting advice on supporting the vocal hook (I know, I know...) Cool that you took note of how things were panned. True, symmetry does lend to strength (as well as amplitude) when placing a part in the stereo spectrum, but symmetric balance in this song is already predominant in the lead vocal track, choir, bass, rhythm guitar parts, synths, and drums. So within that frame, I like to place other featured parts off-balance to make things more interesting and less predictable. Yet, even within all that, I still try to achieve a certain balance. The "I Knows" to the left are offset by the add'l bass hook on the right. The melodic guitar hook on the left during the intro & outro is countered by the quiet whisting part on the right, & so on.
Joe - thanks for the kind comparisons. I'm a big Peter Murphy fan, so I'm quite honored to draw that similarity in your mind!
Here are the lyrics, just for clarity's sake. (Yeah... sing with me, kids!)
I know, I know...
This isn't how we planned it
Our best intentions hit the ground and fall apart
I know, I know...
We worked so long to save this
But now it's only suffering; just set it free to die
Our souls leave outlines on the place
We were before we lost the race
We've wallowed here for a thousand years
The sinking sand up to our ears
You've p*ssed upon your bleeding crown
And watched your empire crumble down
And I can see the river rising again
I know, I know...
This grand design was altered
We set the fire and walked away and closed out eyes
I know, I know...
We led the lamb to slaughter
We turned our backs and left the babes for wolves to find
Bring them home, and share their lives
Was on your list of things-to-do
But it's too late, they've grown and moved on
They've gotten used to life without you
They wonder why you even try
To touch them as you say goodbye
And I can see the river rising again
Is this all?
Trying to find my place in a time of need
Is this all?
Anaximenes in a world that has ceased to be...
Where the will of the new
Comes to rise once again
Around us lies the home we held so close
It is this that kills me most
But we never stopped because we once believed
In the writing in the sand
ROME
© 2009 by Mark Walker
Re: ROME
Maybe? Indeed! Great in theory, but there's always the neck tension issue.
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rickenbrother
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Re: ROME
Maybe I should add another 4 strings to my S/8!jps wrote:Heavy!!! Maybe I should make a 12 string out of my V63?
JETGLO should officially be renamed JETGLO ROCKS! 
