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So I'm sitting at home the other night perusing eBay while my wife is watching Antiques Roadshow, and lo and behold a "road worn" white 4001FL from 1976 comes up for a BIN of $1000. The seller disclosed that there had been a P pickup routed under the hood that was subsequently patched but that the results were not gorgeous... in addition, he had done some rewiring, replaced tuners and bridge (with Hipshot direct replacements), and made his own aluminum pickguard to cover the patch from the P rout. This bass had seen quite a bit in its 33.3 years of life but for all I could tell it was still a fine player and the finish was actually in decent shape to boot. My wife, yes, my wife practically screamed at me to pull the trigger after we gazed at it for 20 minutes together and mulled things over.

Well, it arrived yesterday and I unpacked it--it was very well packed, props to the seller. Somebody reinforced the vintage case with styrofoam supports at key points to cushion the bass, something I think was a really smart move. Once I pushed all of the packing crud aside and uncovered the specimen, I was really blown away: the photos really never do a bass justice, do they? Lordy. Playing it was great too: it has tons of low end, even string response, a nice resonant growl, and even with these ridiculously dead strings there's a wee bit of high-end sizzle/snap creeping in to the upper register. Oh yeah, and absolutely NO dead spots--which was not the case for my 4003FL when I first got it (although it's no longer an issue now that I've changed strings and gotten it well set up). At that point I felt like I had really gotten a steal, at least from the perspective of a player and not a collector.

Naturally there were some weird issues that the seller failed to mention. He had put sharpie marker on the binding to mark the "important" semitones (3, 5, 7, 9, 12). He later told me isopropanol would get this off, as he had taken it off and put it back on repeatedly. There were also the slightest hairline cracks on the fingerboard-neck join by the nut as if someone had improperly adjusted the rods, although the cracks are so tiny and shallow that I can't even photograph them. They certainly don't appear to be affecting the function or reliability of the instrument which comes across very solid in all aspects. Perhaps the most irritating undisclosed thing was something the seller claimed to be unaware of: the pickups sound really good, but only when the wiring behaves itself. Something is loose inside and causing a lot of ground issues, buzzing, etc.

I sent him the most diplomatic e-mail I could about this and he made me a deal: if I would let him give me some of the money back so that my price was equal to the price he paid two years ago, we would be squared up. Or, I could return it. The compensation he offered was in fact very close to what I thought I needed to get everything in tip-top shape eventually, so I said sure, and that was that. It's my bass now. And after the money I got back on the deal I think I did quite well, at least from where I'm standing.

Acoustically, it is quite marvelous (and really sounds crazy similar to my 4003FL from 2008, just with less treble and maybe a hair less mid scoop because of the shedua strip or something like that). I am really enjoying it, even with all of the dots on the binding which were very confusing at first, but I'm getting used to. All visible mods said and done, they don't really drive me that crazy even though eventually I know I'll change them. For the time I'm just to focus on getting it set up nicely, although it won't need much to get there.

Here she is:

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Thanks for listening. :) Any vote as to what I re-string it with? Current GHS strings are DEAD. I was thinking Ken Smith Slick Rounds for a change.
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Awesome Joshua. How does it play?? I have a '73 MG FL I bought off the 'bay last yr that I love. Good luck!!
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Congrat and enjoy it, Joshua! :)
For $1,000 you got a nice deal even though it has been modified, it does not look maimed.
I love my '75, well you've heard it. It's a awesome FL. I'm sure this one is also. I hope you get around to doing some recording and gigging with it.
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basmansam wrote:Awesome Joshua. How does it play??
I am really surpised. I had played a 1972 4001 before and felt no "enhanced" playability like people claim on 4001s, so I thought that it was a myth. But, sure enough, this 1976 4001FL is probably the fastest Ric in my possession. I don't know if it's just the neck girth or the profile or what but my goodness, it is fast and comfy. I wonder if it is even thinner at the nut by a hair.
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That's a great score.
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cassius987 wrote:
basmansam wrote:Awesome Joshua. How does it play??
I am really surpised. I had played a 1972 4001 before and felt no "enhanced" playability like people claim on 4001s, so I thought that it was a myth. But, sure enough, this 1976 4001FL is probably the fastest Ric in my possession. I don't know if it's just the neck girth or the profile or what but my goodness, it is fast and comfy. I wonder if it is even thinner at the nut by a hair.
I had a wht '75 FL that had the thinnest neck of any 4001, 4003 i have owned. It was also the heaviest too, but played very fast. Does your bass have a black pexiglass TRC??
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basmansam wrote:Does your bass have a black pexiglass TRC??
Not sure about plexiglas but it's black for sure. Has the "Model 4001" line on it too.

I measured the nut and it's 1 & 5/8'' instead of the usual 1 & 11/16''.
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cassius987 wrote:Any vote as to what I re-string it with? Current GHS strings are DEAD. I was thinking Ken Smith Slick Rounds for a change.
Gave it a setup and a Scratch-X/Zymol treatment and I've been noodling around on it and it REALLY nails that hard bop upright bass era sound, at least unplugged (the wiring is awful right now so I don't plug it in to play). Considering my 4003FL already really nails this Paul Chambers-esque tone and can also do a lot more because of the versatile LaBella strings and the push-pull pot, I think I need to string the 4001FL up differently to get a different sound. It truly has a great acoustic sound, rich and full, and like I said before less scooped. I am kind of thinking nickel roundwounds... DR Sunbeams maybe. But I'd really like everyone's input as I've never done rounds on fretless before.
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wow-great score there joshua! that's a color combo i am particularly fond of :wink: ,and you seem to have found one of the ones that stayed white instead of gradually going bannana.....i had the dr sunbeams on mine before all of its recent renovation,and they sounded great,a very smooth playing roundwound string-they're supposedly great for fretless.
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Congratulations Joshua!

GREAT SCORE!

I saw that when it first popped up on Ebay. IF I wasn't hoarding pennies, I'd have nailed it myself.

I've been looking for a mid 70's 4001FL for a while, but the timing just wasn't right.

YES, the necks on 74-76 Era 4001's are great, and MOST had KILLER OVERTONES to boot. I had a 79 4001FL that was MINT but I didn't like the neck. Shame too, it was stunning.

You will probably find that a killer upright sound is plentiful on that bass.

Glad it's found a good home, you sure did get a GREAT DEAL to boot! I only did rounds once on a fretless, and I went with the DR. Highbeams. I love those strings but wasn't too happy with the result. The bass at the time had a maple neck and it was TOO mid ^ High heavy for the sound I was after at the time.
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ajish4 wrote:I saw that when it first popped up on Ebay. IF I wasn't hoarding pennies, I'd have nailed it myself.
I was wondering if anyone even saw it before I bought it, because apparently I did the BIN just four hours after the start of the 7 day listing. I appreciate you letting me have a shot at it! It's the first 4001 I've owned, although not the first one I've played, and definitely my favorite specimen so far as far as tone goes. It's apples-to-oranges comparing it to fretted 4001s, yet I still feel as though this one is a bit higher quality sound/sustain wise.
woodyng wrote:and you seem to have found one of the ones that stayed white instead of gradually going bannana.....
It depends on the lighting, but compared to other examples I've seen I'd say it hasn't yellowed nearly as much. Just enough to give it a vintage patina but not enough to quit calling it "white" finish.
ajish4 wrote:YES, the necks on 74-76 Era 4001's are great, and MOST had KILLER OVERTONES to boot.
How odd that you would mention that! I have noticed on this bass that certain ARTIFICIAL harmonics that I play all the time ring a lot truer than any other bass I've tried them on, Ric and non-Ric. For me a troublesome one is the three-note artificial harmonic chord that finishes up "Portrait of Tracy", I can always get it to ring some but getting to SUSTAIN has never gone totally well for me. :( You'll notice I clam this on my brief into to "Spain" on that YouTube video. Anyways, on this bass that chord rings extremely clearly and so does everything else; basically it just has sustain-a-plenty, no dead spots or even "normal spots" whatever really. Is this due to the shedua? If so, bring that baby back! Jeez. The only other Ric I have that sustains this awesomely well is my 2009, and I think that's because it has a baseball bat of a neck (something I like but that would probably be bad for Ric's business if they did it full time).
ajish4 wrote:You will probably find that a killer upright sound is plentiful on that bass.


It definitely does, perhaps a little more so than my 4003FL even. I am thinking of making the 4003FL the "modern hi-fi" fretless and making this 4001FL into a much more vintage-y affair.
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I would highly recommend some Fender Nylon Filaments for that, Joshua (essentially, they are a nylon round-wound - very gentle on the fingerboard). They'll give you nice vintage tone (like an upright, more mids and highs than big lows), they aren't very expensive, they should last for years, and they'll look great on that bass. They may be weak in the harmonic department, but I've just recently learned that these are what came on my recently-purchased Fender Precision FL (also a '76!) and they make a nice compliment to the other more traditional-sounding electric basses you'll have with metal strings (now that you are amassing a bit of a harem, as it were). Not that Ricks are so traditional, but these will make your Rick stand apart from your others!
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FretlessOnly wrote:I would highly recommend some Fender Nylon Filaments for that, Joshua (essentially, they are a nylon round-wound - very gentle on the fingerboard). They'll give you nice vintage tone (like an upright, more mids and highs than big lows), they aren't very expensive, they should last for years, and they'll look great on that bass. They may be weak in the harmonic department, but I've just recently learned that these are what came on my recently-purchased Fender Precision FL (also a '76!) and they make a nice compliment to the other more traditional-sounding electric basses you'll have with metal strings (now that you are amassing a bit of a harem, as it were). Not that Ricks are so traditional, but these will make your Rick stand apart from your others!
The only ones I can find are 70-80-90-100 gauges :(
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Yep, those are the ones. What is your concern; even tension? These have very little tension. Loosen your truss rods to snug and go!
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Tension and fitting the nut. .070'' G string doesn't sound like it would fit.
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