Beatles' influences

[brammy]

and while we're on the subject of Beatles' influences....

[wolfgang]

brammy!

Tom,
I have to admit, "If I needed someone" is an uptempo son of "The bells of Rhymney".

Although the latter is a bit more complceted in its chords,"If I needed someone" has the same structure from the intro to the solo and to the end. Including the use of the tambourine.

I don`t know, if George Harrison realised it.

The party: the party confused at least John Lennon a bit and in so far it influenced the Revolver sessions ("She said, she said" because of Peter Fonda and "And your bird can sing", when (at least to me) Lennon told them, who was fab).

can you agree?
best regards
Wolfgang

[FretlessOnly]

Well, Kent is spot on with that last one. The truth ain't always pretty, folks.

Got to Get You Into my Life sure isn't about a woman...

[beatbyrd]

brammy!

Tom,
I have to admit, "If I needed someone" is an uptempo son of "The bells of Rhymney".

Although the latter is a bit more complceted in its chords,"If I needed someone" has the same structure from the intro to the solo and to the end. Including the use of the tambourine.

I don`t know, if George Harrison realised it.

The party: the party confused at least John Lennon a bit and in so far it influenced the Revolver sessions ("She said, she said" because of Peter Fonda and "And your bird can sing", when (at least to me) Lennon told them, who was fab).

can you agree?
best regards
Wolfgang

I just checked "Timeless Flight Revisted", by Johnnie Rogan. It's a highly regarded Byrds bio. I'll paraphrase what's on page
142. The Beatles sent an advance copy of Rubber Soul to the Byrds, along with a letter from George to Derek Taylor that says to tell McGuinn and Crosby that the riff from IINS is from "The Bells of Rhymney" and the drums are from "She Don't Care About Time", or George's impression of it.The Byrds were flattered (George wasn't as lucky with "He's So Fine"). "Norwegian Wood" is listed as another Byrds influenced song. The same paragraph also discusses Crosby introducing George to the music of Ravi Shankar, which I think led George to a lifetime of Indian influence. This path may have also led to the attraction of the Beatles to the Mahareshi. I really need to find out more about the back story of AYBCS. I'm a Byrds fan from square one, but if they claimed to be on a par with the Beatles, JL did them a favor. My impression was that the Byrds always knew who was top dog.
Thanks. Tom

[FretlessOnly]

Somwhere I read that the Anthology version of AYBCS was a "tribute" to the Byrds, and the liner notes to Anthology indicate that the Beatles were overdubbing vocal tracks to take 2 master, suggesting that they intended to release the more jangly version, at least for a while. I had thought that the tribute concept was mentioned in these same liner notes, but no.

The odd thing is that after only a few seconds of listening to the version on Anthology, it becomes clear that none of the lads would consider this a useable version, but at about 0:39 or so, you can hear McCartney admonishing John for his giggling, which suggests that Paul still might have thought something was useable. Maybe they were just all so baked that things got out of hand? It's hard to say. I will say that McCartney's bassline in the jangly version is just terribly fantastic.

[brammy]

Fun, but the harmonies in the released version are far better.

[wolfgang]

I think this giggling track was only made to overdubb the line "when your BIKE is broken...",
after the solo. And they tried to be serious at that line.

b.t.w. it gives a nice mono version, if you play it with a "vocal cut" or "Karaoke" option.
The giggling take is then cancelled.

Wolfgang