"The cap"

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ilan wrote:
badeggs wrote: Need more bass? Try turning this up:
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If bass-cut was a desirable feature, you'd see more "bass" knobs on bass amps dialed all the way down. But they never are.
I always turn the bass down on my amp (although not all the way, say 9 or 10 o'clock) when using my Rics. Lemmy turns his completely off and AFAIK always has.

With regards to the cap, I find the effect differs in each bass. My '72 sounds better with it in, but the difference with it in or out is relatively subtle, easily the most subtle I've come across. In all the other Rics I've had, having the cap in produces a far more pronounced effect. I think the '76 was the most obvious, that was like night and day. And yes, this was through the same amp as the '72. Why is this? I wish I knew!
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henry5 wrote:Why is this? I wish I knew!
Low tolerance capacitors could explain it. As capacitance grows, the hinge frequency drops, which in this case will reduce the audible effects of the cap being in the circuit. Maybe some of your basses have >0.0047 uF caps, and some less, by enough to make a difference. I know many pots have 20% tolerance(!). I'm not sure about caps.
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Caps have the same tolerance as pots, so if you get one that isn't right on, then it will affect the tone considerably. This isn't just manufacturing tolerance. Caps by their nature are not as sturdy internally as pots, and the dielectric can deteriorate and change value of the cap over time.

Another item I forgot to mention: the cap has less effectiveness on a pickup with more windings, as the higher impedance of the higher-wound pickup will create more mids and more intra-coil capacitance that gives a midrange boost and treble rolloff to the tone, which works against what the cap does.
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iiipopes wrote:Another item I forgot to mention: the cap has less effectiveness on a pickup with more windings, as the higher impedance of the higher-wound pickup will create more mids and more intra-coil capacitance that gives a midrange boost and treble rolloff to the tone, which works against what the cap does.
I can back this up... in the case of my HB-1 equipped 4003 the cap does very little to stifle it.
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I wonder if they make a cap that can roll-off my bad playing? :?: Sort of like, the more alcohol I drink, the better I sound! :mrgreen:
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teeder wrote:I wonder if they make a cap that can roll-off my bad playing? :?: Sort of like, the more alcohol I drink, the better I sound! :mrgreen:
Sure, but to really do it right, you would probably need 2 caps. Put a 1pF cap in series and a 1000uF cap to ground. That should take care of most of the objectionable stuff coming from your bass...
:roll: :lol: :lol:
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That would probably be really funny (if I knew what you were talking about) I assume there would be nothing left coming out.:lol:
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teeder wrote:That would probably be really funny (if I knew what you were talking about) I assume there would be nothing left coming out.:lol:
Well in this case you would have adopted the Stuart Sutcliff approach to playing bass.............next to or no sound at all in the stage mix. But you would still be cool! :lol:
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cjj wrote:Sure, but to really do it right, you would probably need 2 caps. Put a 1pF cap in series and a 1000uF cap to ground. That should take care of most of the objectionable stuff coming from your bass...
:roll: :lol: :lol:
Would much less of a hassle to just cut the hot wire to the output jack! :lol: :mrgreen: :P
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cjj wrote:
teeder wrote:I wonder if they make a cap that can roll-off my bad playing? :?: Sort of like, the more alcohol I drink, the better I sound! :mrgreen:
Sure, but to really do it right, you would probably need 2 caps. Put a 1pF cap in series and a 1000uF cap to ground. That should take care of most of the objectionable stuff coming from your bass...
:roll: :lol: :lol:
That WOULD do it! :lol: :lol: :lol:

Kev, this would shunt most all bass to ground (no output) and pass only RF (so hardly ANY highs) = no output.
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adopted the Stuart Sutcliff approach to playing bass
Hey Man, don't be knocking my man Stu! He's the reason I play bass. I just love his sneaky basslines! He's so smooth, it's like he isn't even playing! :lol:
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cjj wrote:
teeder wrote:I wonder if they make a cap that can roll-off my bad playing? :?: Sort of like, the more alcohol I drink, the better I sound! :mrgreen:
Sure, but to really do it right, you would probably need 2 caps. Put a 1pF cap in series and a 1000uF cap to ground. That should take care of most of the objectionable stuff coming from your bass...
:roll: :lol: :lol:
THREE caps for this method...don't forget the one you puke into.
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winston wrote:Well in this case you would have adopted the Stuart Sutcliff approach to playing bass.............next to or no sound at all in the stage mix. But you would still be cool! :lol:
Lead goes into pocket......... :lol:

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I've installed the cap in my v63.

Last night I found a push pull pot. I'd like to put it in my v63, so I could switch anytime between cap and no cap :)
But I can't find the right diagram by Joey. Is there any chance you/anyone could send it to me? It would help me out big time. Thanks Joey. I understand you took them offline. You deserve all the credits.
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Philip, I will send it to you or post a temporary link after I get home from work this evening. Sorry for any inconvenience to anyone, but a bunch of dummy mass info sites have tries to claim my info and diagrams as their own. :twisted:
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