REM Broke Up!!!

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indianation65 wrote:Let's see, how can I put this without evoking a bit of revolt...there isn't a way, so I'll just quick draw. To continually try to "sound" like another player, a famous player is complimentary to that player, but not oneself. Find your sound and write your own songs. That is the key, unless playing covers is the goal; and I'm not knocking playing covers. I loved singing Driver 8, Blood and Roses and Born to be Wild while back in college.

Addendum: I hope Mr. Buck does not continue to be a hired gun in other buddy's bands. I hope he starts his own, possibly joining forces with J. Marr, who has a habit of doing the same thing. They are my faves. Besides, I know someone who'd love to offer vocals.

Addendum II: I don't remember the year of comment, but I believe it was Andy Summers who mentioned no taste for alternate tuning. He said there is enough to learn and use in standard; pretty decent thinking...for some.

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I agree that emulating a player often is fruitless for one's own creativity, but not necessarily. I chose my main guitar, an SG, because I loved Tony Iommi, the clean sound of a Gibson (Inadvertent because my love for clean tone came from Peter Buck), and because it's not commonly used as a Strat or LP. If I had gotten my way in the beginning, I would be playing a Rickenbacker 360 with a Vox or Fender amp. I didn't plan on emulating Peter's playing; just his sound for my own purposes. I'm not sure if I would have written the same songs I had I gotten the Ric.

The fact that I lusted after a Ric like Peter's, and then sold it not even a year later, definitely makes people around here raise their eye-brows. The thing that I discovered while spending over two years trying to crack open Richard Thompson's style not only included the death of THREE Strats, but also the knowledge that I and no one else can sound just like Richard. When I got the Ric, I expected to sound in the ball-park of Peter Buck. No dice. Not only do I play REM songs in my own way, but I play guitar in general my own way. After seven or so years, there's no way to escape that.

But, if I could buy all the things I needed to emulate Peter, I WOULD. Why? Because when I'm behind closed doors, I can be any player I want to be. 8) The same goes for anyone else. When Peter is at home, do you think he plays like he's in REM? I doubt it. :wink:
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Wildberry wrote:Anyway, I havent replied to your question regarding thicker string gauges yet.

I'm using TI 011 flats. Maybe I should switch to DM 013 flats to be as close as possible to Peter? I like the thicker gauges, they're easier to play. TI 011 allow bends if need be. I doubt they make me sound closer to PLB though.
I do use flatwound strings on one of my 12'ers, because I think they really bring out the natural jangle and chime of the instrument. But I have a question regarding how Peter Buck strung that Jetglo 360/6 over the years. To your knowledge, when did he start using flatwounds? The reason I ask is that I don't hear much, if any, finger squeak from his fretting hand on the early live recordings. But, after repeated listenings to the Dublin Olympia set, I've noticed that his guitar no longer has the same trebly edge that it used to in the early to mid 1980's. Case in point: "Feeling Gravity's Pull," "Letter Never Sent," and "Pretty Persuasion" all sound duller and more muffled on the Olympia set than they do elsewhere, which might suggest that he started using flatwounds sometime after 1985 and before 2007. As for the extremely heavy gauges, I learned most of the early R.E.M. material on a Gibson J-35 acoustic, set up with .013's. Although it's just about impossible to do any bends, the heavier strings create a certain resistance which makes it easier do the string-skipping arpeggios Peter is famous for. As I said, if I ever get myself a 360/6, I'll probably stick with the hi gains and set it up with roundwound .011's or .012's. But that's just my two cents! :D

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indianation65 wrote:Addendum: I hope Mr. Buck does not continue to be a hired gun in other buddy's bands. I hope he starts his own, possibly joining forces with J. Marr, who has a habit of doing the same thing. They are my faves. Besides, I know someone who'd love to offer vocals.
Well, I don't mind the RH&V3 combo - on "Propellor Time" is a song called "Sickie Boy" which has both Peter and Johnny Marr on it!

What revolt? Trolls explode over anything, but we're reasonable people here (okay, at times that is, when we're not irrationally funny :lol: ) I won't be upset, because I don't try to sound like Peter. As I stated I ended up with .011 because it's comfy playing. When I play a song I tweak around until I have found a sound I like, which might not be close to the original at all. Still, it is beneficial to search for the same sound as Peter, as one does find other sounds one might like which you wouldn't have found otherwise.

I don't like anything the Police did. They only once had a great gig, not because of them but because a certain small band from Athens, GA opened for them. A certain Mr. Sumner tore down his dressing room that day even before their show started... The Police, they're more torture on my ears than Metallica! :twisted:
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Folkie wrote:To your knowledge, when did he start using flatwounds?
I'll have to check - a friend has a set of strings from Peter from the Preconstruction tour. I honestly don't dare make any guess as to what type of strings he used, although maybe Mitch Easter might remember for the first recording sessions.
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Ain'tGotNoPokemon wrote:When Peter is at home, do you think he plays like he's in REM? I doubt it. :wink:
Both at home and in R.E.M. he plays like Pete Buck, he's not a poser, you know.
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Wildberry wrote:
Ain'tGotNoPokemon wrote:When Peter is at home, do you think he plays like he's in REM? I doubt it. :wink:
Both at home and in R.E.M. he plays like Pete Buck, he's not a poser, you know.
Oh, so I guess we're posers for playing Peter Buck riffs? :lol: I doubt very much he plays like he does with REM in private as much in public; the Hindu Love Gods and Minus 5/Tuatara albums show he's quite diverse, and that just doesn't happen without practice.
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Diverse in style doesn't mean he plays differently, imo
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Wildberry wrote:Diverse in style doesn't mean he plays differently, imo
Wildberry, I think you may have insulted some players with your last post though. Many of us love to go outside of our own style and try to emulate our heroes behind closed doors, as I'm sure Peter does. He's human like the rest of us. It doesn't make us "posers." :wink:
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Ain'tGotNoPokemon wrote:When Peter is at home, do you think he plays like he's in REM? I doubt it. :wink:
I'll bet he has better things to do at home. Does the postman talk a walk on his day off? From what I know, Peter actually has a life.
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johnhall wrote:
Ain'tGotNoPokemon wrote:When Peter is at home, do you think he plays like he's in REM? I doubt it. :wink:
I'll bet he has better things to do at home. Does the postman talk a walk on his day off? From what I know, Peter actually has a life.
:lol: I'm referring to when he actually picks up an instrument. I do know that he enjoys playing, and he most likely does play some guitar on his time off. I'm not sure what part of my statement makes you think that I say that's all he does. Of course he has a life.

When he went to Mexico when REM weren't touring in the nineties (Before Monster) he said he just hitch-hiked around with a guitar. However, I'm positive he didn't go to Mexico to exclusively play guitar. :wink:
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I'll tell you what, next time I see him I'll ask him what he does for fun.
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Folkie wrote:
Wildberry wrote:which might suggest that he started using flatwounds sometime after 1985 and before 2007.
Mitch Easter has reported, on here even I think, that he used flatwounds already on Murmur.
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Ain'tGotNoPokemon wrote:Many of us love to go outside of our own style
Which you still play in your own way, which is what I meant. You can't remove you from the equation, even if you try to be PLB, had his gear and guitar, you still are not him. The actual musical genre you play is not the same as you the person playing it. Peter playing guitar is just Peter playing guitar. I doubt he's secretly at home trying to be like some 80s metal guitar player licking his neck. Although, you should try it, it's fun! :mrgreen:
johnhall wrote:I'll bet he has better things to do at home. Does the postman talk a walk on his day off? From what I know, Peter actually has a life.
Somehow that made me remember the picture of Peter with his car... that has a flat tyre. I've always wondered if he's gotten that fixed, or maybe fixed it himself one day :lol:
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Folkie wrote:which might suggest that he started using flatwounds sometime after 1985 and before 2007.
Mitch Easter has reported, on here even I think, that he used flatwounds already on Murmur.

Actually Robert wrote that not me... anyway... thanks, David, you're right, I remember now! I think I remember Mitch writing Peter used to change his strings every day although he used flats which didn't need changing that often - can it be Mitch said that, or something in that meaning?
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Wildberry wrote: Actually Robert wrote that not me... anyway... thanks, David, you're right, I remember now! I think I remember Mitch writing Peter used to change his strings every day although he used flats which didn't need changing that often - can it be Mitch said that, or something in that meaning?
Sorry for mixing up the quotes... :oops:

Anyway, here's the quote from Mitch, regarding how he relearned some R.E.M. stuff for the 30 year anniversary party last year where he played:

"When I was learning the songs it dawned on me that part of Peter's sound, at least back then, was his use of big flatwound strings, so I put some pretty stout ones on my 365, and dang, it did sort of make That Sound, although we know that it's all in the fingers..."

I would take that to mean that Peter indeed played flats way back when, i.e. at least sometime during 81-84.

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johnhall wrote:I'll tell you what, next time I see him I'll ask him what he does for fun.
So you're implying that Peter Buck does not touch the guitar when he's not on the road?
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