2011-10-23 - Meervaart - Amsterdam, NL

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2011-10-23 - Meervaart - Amsterdam, NL

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Well, yesterday was the day! My first time seeing Roger live!

A little story about getting the tickets. I'd seen that he'd be coming over to Holland for a theatre tour. Now, you have to get that in Holland theatre tickets are usually sold for a whole season just before the season. Every stupid theatre has its own insane rules about how they allot you tickets, with drawings, sign-ups etc. The one closest to me I had to become member, take at least so many tickets for so many shows etc. Then about a month ago I checked the Meervaart and they're a lot better, I could get tickets there like at a music venue! On the site when I got the tickets - front row balcony exactly in the middle! By then only the first three rows of seats in the main area downstairs had been sold. I didn't expect a lot of audience.

The main seating area was almost sold out, and up stairs there were a few people sitting too. On stage in a semi-circle of tropical plants an organ seat, a Martin 7-string acoustic and a stand. Lights go out, chiming starts... there he was with 360/12. Didn't expect a 360, tbh. But man, no complaints, he sounded great!

He shifted from Rick to Martin. I did not have the feeling, like in that other thread written, that the Rick was just there for show. He played all the favourites, did some talking. He really blew me away with both playing all alone, and singing. Now, this is a real artist. My opinion of these "talent" shows has gone down even further. McGuinn, now he's a real artist, who knows what he's doing.

Don't ask me in what order he played the songs. A couple I did not know, a few songs were better with just 12er or 7-acoustic than the album versions!

33 EUR well spend on my ticket! Which artist can be so good and yet so cheap? :mrgreen:
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Thanks for posting the review! Glad to hear you enjoyed the concert! Could you say if Roger had his early 1970s Rick 370/12 with the high gain pickups or a different one? Did he play his banjo and 12-string Martin acoustic too? Did you get a chance to chat with Camilla McGuinn before or after the concert? :)
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Hi Simon - Roger was playing what looked like a stock 360/12 FG. No sight of his signature 370. He didn't have his Martin 12-string with him, just the special 7-string (with the doubled-up high E-string?) signature model - he said he didn't want to take his 12er Martin as too many got broken on flights. No sight of a banjo either.

I'm getting old, I don't remember it well - he started on the 360/12 with Chimes of Freedom, I think. He did these songs at least (random order):

Chestnut Mare
So You Want to Be a Rock 'n Roll Star
Turn! Turn! Turn!
He Was a Friend of Mine
5D
Eight Miles High
Mr. Tambourine Man
King of the Hill
I'll Feel a Whole Lot Better
Mr. Spaceman
Dreamland
Lover of the Bayou
The Ballad of Easy Rider
A "pirate song" he did as well. Didn't know that one yet, but liked it anyway. Jolly Roger?
St. James Infirmary Blues
Parade of Lost Dreams

He did about half of the songs. The a break. He came back on with the 360/12 the same way he started the evening. The he did another bunch of songs. He went off, came back and did some songs on the 360/12. I expected that to be the end, but he then moved to the acoustic again and did some songs. And then he left. All in all a great evening!

I didn't see Camilla. In fact if there was a merch stand it was so well hidden I didn't see it. I doubt there was a stand at the theatre, tbh. I'm not sure if they're allowed inside theatres in Holland. Theatre comedy shows usually sell the DVD and merch through the ticket office's inside counter.
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Hi Werner, thank you so much for the detailed information on the show. It sounds fantastic! Comparing our notes, the set list was a little different and there was only one break, just before the encore. At my show, Roger did not sing: Chimes of Freedom, 5D, So You Want to Be a Rock 'n Roll Star. Instead he performed these songs: She Don't Care About Time, You Ain't Goin' Nowhere, Bells of Rhymney. So I can't really complain! Aren't we both lucky to have seen the show? :)
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Well, tbh, he isn't around Holland that often so I think he did more hits. I kind of expected him to play Bells of Rhymney, but in the end I was pleased with the songs he played. When did you see him exactly?

Eight Miles High was one of the popular songs, judging by the way the audience reacted to it. It was rather funny as he started with the instrumental interlude, which caught the audience off guard, and I had to laugh when most only recognised the song when he started the lyrics!

Rock 'n Roll Star live on 360/12 is much better than the album version. But then I think they did the album version in a deliberate un-Rock 'n Roll style.

Most people there were rather the older generation that were young in the 60s. Some people who were young in 70s. Few young folks. I was one of the young people at 35! The girl who was there with her parents was the only teen I spotted. Do teens only listen to that computer-tweaked Idol & X-Factor nonsense these days?
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At my concert, the most popular song was You Ain't Goin' Nowhere (everyone in the audience started singing along). I would love to have heard Chimes of Freedom and Rock'n'Roll Star live. I remember his performance of Bells of Rhymney was particularly beautiful. He played it on his 7-string Martin, but his vocal was very moving - it really touched your heart. Overall, seeing Roger live was much more intense than hearing his recordings. You can really feel the emotion behind the songs! I guess much is lost in the recording process and then playback at home... or perhaps Roger is simply getting better with age? :wink: Like you, I also noticed most people were the 1960s generation. My wife and I were among the few people in our 30s or early 40s. I guess teens these days really do listen to the manufactured stuff they see on TV. I hope as they get older they seek out some real music.
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Wildberry wrote:Well, tbh, he isn't around Holland that often so I think he did more hits. I kind of expected him to play Bells of Rhymney, but in the end I was pleased with the songs he played. When did you see him exactly?
Sorry - I forgot to answer. I saw him September 18, 2011. There's a thread on this forum in case you hadn't already seen it: viewtopic.php?f=8&t=402514.
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Oh, he played "You Ain't Goin' Nowhere", he said something like the Byrds liked country, and mentioned recording in Nashville with one of those country-style songs. I'm bad at remembering songs played at gigs if I don't have my mobile with me to store them! :oops:

If you say in Holland you listen to folk people already will actually call you mad out loud, but tell you listen to country and they'll make fun of you forever. Not that weird the hit lists are full or rap nonsense and the computer-tweaked Idols/X-Factor pretty faces!

I agree that Roger live brings over a lot more feeling than on the record. The records aren't bad, but live is just an experience!
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Wildberry wrote:He didn't have his Martin 12-string with him, just the special 7-string (with the doubled-up high E-string?) signature model - he said he didn't want to take his 12er Martin as too many got broken on flights. No sight of a banjo either.
Just to clear up a point or two.... The Martin 7 string has an octave G string (the 7th string). The times I have seen Roger, he has performed mostly one, and sometimes 2 songs with the banjo. The Martin 12 string isn't played very much, either. While damage is certainly a concern of his, he may also just be traveling light for this tour.

Camilla had told me months ago that they were going to/from Europe via ship. It wouldn't surprise me to learn that they traveled by rail, at least occasionally, while traveling to the various cities on the tour. This would reduce his fear of instrument breakage. I'm glad that you enjoyed the shows. Tom
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Werner, this isn't an old venue, is it? Sort of like an old movie house? I might have been there a long time ago.

I used to live on Vossiusstraat, facing Vondelpark. I remember riding west to the theater, in the direction of Schipol, to see Cream and a couple of other English bands in the late 60's, though it's a bit of a blur after more than 40 years. It was a pretty far ride too, as I recall.

The old man that I lived with and worked for was the one that suggested I go to the show there, which seemed odd to me given the age difference. Still, I enjoyed hearing him play Gershwin and Porter on his piano in the evening and only recently learned of his own musical background:

http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_Wijnnobel
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Hi John, the current Meervaart is an ugly new building from the 1990s. I'm not sure about the history of the venue, but it's possible it used to be in a cool old building, but was forced to move to "better suited" (read: new ugly concrete) premises in the 90s like many other smaller dutch venues.
Theatres and "culture" in general used to be highly subsidized with state funding in Holland. During the turn of the century decades many venues were forced to move to new buildings in newly developed parts of towns to keep receiving state funding.

Interesting link, never heard of the man, but did hear of some of the names he wrote for/worked with!
If I may ask: you lived in Amsterdam as a student?
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Wildberry wrote:Hi John, the current Meervaart is an ugly new building from the 1990s.
If I may ask: you lived in Amsterdam as a student?
Well, then, I guess that's not where I went!

No, I lived and worked there for a short while in 1969. I worked (illegally!) first at a bleach factory (awful), then at the Amstel factory (better), and finally at the diamond exchange waiting on tables in the snack bar (not too bad). I met some great friends, had some fun, but ended up going home rather suddenly with an appendix ready to burst.

I wrote a song about this experience that was on the first Hautewerk CD. Here's a live version from the Starting Gate confluence set:

Saffierastraat

Only Amsterdammers like yourself will truly understand the meaning of the lyrics! The view of the Rijksmuseum from my garret-room window was simply sublime.

FYI, I realized only belatedly that I was writing about Sarphatistraat, not Saffierastraat! That's where the Lovely De Joonge family that adopted me lived.
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johnhall wrote:ended up going home rather suddenly with an appendix ready to burst.
Ai, a painful ending to your dutch stay! :(
johnhall wrote:Only Amsterdammers like yourself will truly understand the meaning of the lyrics! The view of the Rijksmuseum from my garret-room window was simply sublime.
I'm from a village just outside Delft, not Amsterdam, but have spend enough time in Amsterdam with family to get what you mean. Things have changed a lot though. If I think back to all the changes in Amsterdam these last 15 years! Building-wise the city has become a lot uglier!
johnhall wrote:FYI, I realized only belatedly that I was writing about Sarphatistraat, not Saffierastraat! That's where the Lovely De Joonge family that adopted me lived.
I can find the music venues in Amsterdam, can walk straight to them, but don't ask me what street is where. But then I wouldn't even know what the next street is called here in the Hague and I've lived here for 10 years :oops:
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Thanks, Werner, for your detailed review of the McGuinn show in Amsterdam. The last time I saw him was back in 2007 on a bill with John Sebastian. It's safe to say that the majority of the crowd were folks who grew up in the sixties, although my girlfriend and I were in our mid-thirties at the time.

When I saw McGuinn the first time, at a small club called Wilbert's, in 1998, he played his 370/12 through a Roland JC-120 for the whole show. When I saw him at Cain Park (a larger venue) in 2007, he played his Martin 7-string almost exclusively. In fact, he only did four songs with his 370/12: "My Back Pages," "I'll Feel a Whole Lot Better," "Mr. Tambourine Man," and "Turn! Turn! Turn!" He did play his Martin acoustic 12 on "Bells of Rhymney" and two or three others. And IIRC, his banjo sat in its stand for the entire show.

I don't think he even played "You Ain't Goin' Nowhere" at either of the shows I attended. The song that drew the greatest applause in 2007 was his acoustic version of "Eight Miles High." By the way, Werner, that interlude you mentioned is lifted from the Spanish pianist Issac Albeniz's "Asturias," a piece Andres Segovia transcribed for guitar (which is why McGuinn always mentions Segovia before playing the song).

McGuinn did do "Rock and Roll Star" in 2007, albeit on his 7-string acoustic. I really would have loved to hear "Chimes of Freedom," but I guess you can't have everything. To tell you the truth, I really enjoyed all the traditional folk material, especially his haunting, poignant, version of "St. James Infirmary." It was also nice to hear some of McGuinn's newer originals, written for his 7-string Martin, and to hear him adapting Byrds classics to acoustic.

I agree with you and Simon that there's a certain naked emotion to McGuinn's live performances which has never been fully captured in the studio. I think that's what makes his concerts so special, even though he doesn't play his Rics onstage so much these days. Wherever he takes us, we feel a visceral connection with Roger which can't be shaken. That's why his music remains compelling after almost 50 years.

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Folkie wrote:Wherever he takes us, we feel a visceral connection with Roger which can't be shaken. That's why his music remains compelling after almost 50 years.
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