Droog61 wrote:
I mean we could argue until we are blue in the face, but I would wager 'Fragile' was the album that the mass collective of Yes fans fell in love with over, lets say Drama.
(Sorry getting off topic so back to Jon Anderson)
For some others it will be 90210 as a benchmark, Whole new generation of fans
However on each of these milestones Fragile and 90210, Anderson was present ( Kaye was the man on Keys). Anderson is part of the soundscape at both those milestones.
90210? Isn't it 90125?
And I believe it was Rick Wakeman on Fragile...
I have NO idea what to do with those skinny stringed things... I'm just a bass player...
OK my half cent – I have thoroughly enjoyed all permeation of the band Yes. Would I like to see Jon back – sure! But right now that isn’t happening. Every time a piece of the band is replaced there is a change. That should go without saying. I remember Jon saying once, during a show, that part of the Yes experience was the change and blending of new members. Jon has a very unique of painting pictures with words and unfortunately that is missing now. But like I said - change! Even when Jon is there the band’s sound changed. Listen to something from Time and a Word then Relayer… pretty frikin different. I’m just very happy that most aspects of the personal here are creating and performing. God that will be a sad day when that stops. So enjoy it ALL while we still can... none of us are getting any younger.
The only thing we can perceive are our perceptions - George Berkeley
Droog61 wrote:
I mean we could argue until we are blue in the face, but I would wager 'Fragile' was the album that the mass collective of Yes fans fell in love with over, lets say Drama.
(Sorry getting off topic so back to Jon Anderson)
For some others it will be 90210 as a benchmark, Whole new generation of fans
However on each of these milestones Fragile and 90210, Anderson was present ( Kaye was the man on Keys). Anderson is part of the soundscape at both those milestones.
90210? Isn't it 90125?
And I believe it was Rick Wakeman on Fragile...
Sorry was thinking about Brandon, Dylan and Brenda and the Peach pit
Droog61 wrote:
I mean we could argue until we are blue in the face, but I would wager 'Fragile' was the album that the mass collective of Yes fans fell in love with over, lets say Drama.
(Sorry getting off topic so back to Jon Anderson)
For some others it will be 90210 as a benchmark, Whole new generation of fans
However on each of these milestones Fragile and 90210, Anderson was present ( Kaye was the man on Keys). Anderson is part of the soundscape at both those milestones.
90210? Isn't it 90125?
And I believe it was Rick Wakeman on Fragile...
And you believe correctly... the Kaye was for 90215
Excellent points, Andrew. And you covered a lot of ground. I don't think I can adequately address all of them in detail due to my time constraints today but I'll take a quick stab!
>When Banks and Kaye left, from my reading in several Yes bios, there were fans that were quite upset. Of course, that time and place was very different. We were all less informed. We certainly didn't have the internet to go to read up on the developments of our fav bands. Most of us only heard things through DJ's and The Rolling Stone but some of us found ways to read Melody Maker and other Brit periodicals. Nowadays, we know just about everything such as when when a rock star changes his diet or when he tries out a new pedal. In any case I know some people didn't like the new direction the band took. But certianly, the vast majority of us fell right into your assessment: we loved the new version of the band, we loved Fragile. We loved Close to the Edge. We saw those 5 guys as yes. All were essential.
>Your citing of the unique nature of the solo pieces that each member took on Fragile IS unique. You are right, I don't think too many bands did something like that. But that element wasn't intitially mentioned by you in your assessment of Yes becoming a half-band and a tribute band. So when I mentioned all the other bands it was not part of the discussion. I thought your only critical issue was pertaining to key members leaving (and possibly drastic changes of style).
>Is Fragile THE album that most fans fell in love with? Well, for those of us listening at the time, it is a logical conclusion. After all, there weren't but a few Yes albums to choose from. Fragile was so obviously a brilliant album...it is one of my favs. (Close to the Edge is probably my favorite.) But many younger fans became aware of the band much later and so many fans cite other albums as the crucial or "best" album. Over on the Yes Forum they regularly have "favorite album" and "least favorite album" arguements, er, discussions. It is amazing how one man's passion is another man's poison and vice versa.
>And perhaps most salient to our Thread here--Jon Anderson--yes, he was on all the albums until Drama and then on everything up until recently. Naturally, most Yes fans think of Jon as the "voice of Yes." Certainly the lead voice on most tracks. (One of the great things about Yes is the delicious blend of Squire's and Howe's voice...most fans underestimate that blend's importance.) I don't pretend to say Jon is not missed. As I stated, I was very sad when the guy almost died and had to leave the fold. I miss his soaring voice, his cosmic lyrics, the ethereal harp, and even the very movements he made on stage. His presence has been central in some of the most meaningful moments I have experienced. His importance can not be denied. I would never say he is not missed. I think I/we just want to say that his absence is not a reason to dismiss the rest of the band. They are still vital and producing (IMHO) fine, worthwhile music. Would I want him to rejoin? Absolutely! I was so happy when his health improved enough for him to do limited touring. Would I rejoice if Jon came back to Yes?
Dude! You could not imagine my joy. I would stop at nothing to fly to wherever that concert would take place.
Billsbro wrote:Excellent points, Andrew. And you covered a lot of ground. I don't think I can adequately address all of them in detail due to my time constraints today but I'll take a quick stab!
>When Banks and Kaye left, from my reading in several Yes bios, there were fans that were quite upset. Of course, that time and place was very different. We were all less informed. We certainly didn't have the internet to go to read up on the developments of our fav bands. Most of us only heard things through DJ's and The Rolling Stone but some of us found ways to read Melody Maker and other Brit periodicals. Nowadays, we know just about everything such as when when a rock star changes his diet or when he tries out a new pedal. In any case I know some people didn't like the new direction the band took. But certianly, the vast majority of us fell right into your assessment: we loved the new version of the band, we loved Fragile. We loved Close to the Edge. We saw those 5 guys as yes. All were essential.
>Your citing of the unique nature of the solo pieces that each member took on Fragile IS unique. You are right, I don't think too many bands did something like that. But that element wasn't intitially mentioned by you in your assessment of Yes becoming a half-band and a tribute band. So when I mentioned all the other bands it was not part of the discussion. I thought your only critical issue was pertaining to key members leaving (and possibly drastic changes of style).
>Is Fragile THE album that most fans fell in love with? Well, for those of us listening at the time, it is a logical conclusion. After all, there weren't but a few Yes albums to choose from. Fragile was so obviously a brilliant album...it is one of my favs. (Close to the Edge is probably my favorite.) But many younger fans became aware of the band much later and so many fans cite other albums as the crucial or "best" album. Over on the Yes Forum they regularly have "favorite album" and "least favorite album" arguements, er, discussions. It is amazing how one man's passion is another man's poison and vice versa.
>And perhaps most salient to our Thread here--Jon Anderson--yes, he was on all the albums until Drama and then on everything up until recently. Naturally, most Yes fans think of Jon as the "voice of Yes." Certainly the lead voice on most tracks. (One of the great things about Yes is the delicious blend of Squire's and Howe's voice...most fans underestimate that blend's importance.) I don't pretend to say Jon is not missed. As I stated, I was very sad when the guy almost died and had to leave the fold. I miss his soaring voice, his cosmic lyrics, the ethereal harp, and even the very movements he made on stage. His presence has been central in some of the most meaningful moments I have experienced. His importance can not be denied. I would never say he is not missed. I think I/we just want to say that his absence is not a reason to dismiss the rest of the band. They are still vital and producing (IMHO) fine, worthwhile music. Would I want him to rejoin? Absolutely! I was so happy when his health improved enough for him to do limited touring. Would I rejoice if Jon came back to Yes?
Dude! You could not imagine my joy. I would stop at nothing to fly to wherever that concert would take place.
Excellent post Stephan,
What a great forum to participate in with educated insights.
This is a really great place to have a Yes discussion, and even though its a Chris Squire section you really cant separate the two.
What I like about Yes fans (regardless of the band line up) is they are first and foremost Music lovers, and music lovers tend to be
passionate about convictions. No matter what views, we all share one thing in common, the appreciation of Squires contributions to the entity of Yes be it past, present, future.
just_bassics wrote:Anderson, Wakeman, Bruford, Rabin, Banks and others will always have strong followings whose fans want to see them back in the lineup, but they are as they are and whining about it on guitar forums won't help - Right Thomas?
Wrong. Who's whining??
I posted one name...Jon Anderson, and you deleted my post.
Why? Because Chris Squire sometimes visits this forum and you don't want to upset the apple cart?
I had a similar problem with you guys awhile ago.
This is really incredible.
What is your problem?
I'm entitled to my opinion and that was deleted. I think they need Jon Anderson back.
Most of the people I've talked to about this today, think the same way as well as a lot of folks on other sites discussing it.
But here....there seems to be a smokescreen when it comes to this.
I just don't get it.
Whatever. Do what you want. Including deleting, err censoring my post when it says "Jon Anderson".
Posting his name is whining??
Wow.
BTW, I don't post on the "other" website that you don't mention by name either.
Wow. Really Jim? You deleted Thomas Pesch's post? Was there profanity or something? Even if that's the case, the auto-detector bleeps that stuff out. Not knowing the whole motivation, deleting opposing opinions IS a little unfair, and honestly not entirely necessary. Just in general, I think we're all level headed enough to process opposition without taking personal offense.
walker wrote:Wow. Really Jim? You deleted Thomas Pesch's post? Was there profanity or something? Even if that's the case, the auto-detector bleeps that stuff out. Not knowing the whole motivation, deleting opposing opinions IS a little unfair, and honestly not entirely necessary. Just in general, I think we're all level headed enough to process opposition without taking personal offense.
Hey, I'm nobody special here. I just post once and awhile and offer an opinion. There was absolutly no profanity. I just posted "Jon Anderson" and that was it. That post was removed.
I'm not trying to be a troll here, you can check my posting history and see that is not my style.
I'm not trying to start any kind of war here either.
I just posted the name of the singer from Yes that I think should now step back into that role.
That was deleted.
That is totally frigging lame.
And don't anyone send me a PM about it. I won't read it and it will be deleted, just like my post.
Happy Friday and good friggin' night.
Thomas, if you note: Your recent posts, where you stated your opinion with clarity in a positive manner and shared information (correct or not) that you researched on other sites were allowed to remain. But your earlier posts a few years ago, where you just kept posting over and over, "No Jon, not Yes", "no Jon, no sale" etc... were getting tiresome. I allowed most of those to remain as well, but commented to the effect of, yea, we get it or words to that effect.
I'm not trying to protect Chris Squire here, as he is more than capable of taking care of himself. But he is still a member here and I will bear that in mind, as I would with any member whose band comes up for discussion within my realm of responsibility.
I encourage all positive discussion on the matter, but negativity or repeated posts for the purpose of button pushing, whining (yes, whining) or just trying to stir up discontent about a band's former singer are not welcome here. So, yes, I deleted posts. It's my job. It's my responsibility to keep things in a positive manner here and I'll moderate within my discretion.
Thomas, you mentioned that you won't read my PM's when I try to communicate with you privately. In those PM's of a year or so ago, I asked you to please stay on here and contribute. I value your opinion and only ask that you meet a few reasonable standards. You choose now to state publicly that you won't read my PM's. That about says it all, thanks for the transparency. No hurt feelings here, believe me. As for the other forums, where this subject is beaten to death in threads of endless negativity, rudeness and sometimes downright mean spiritedness, if that is what you want, log on there and post to your heart's content. I do feel, as a member of this forum, that your public posting of your feelings on the subject, rather than handling this privately with a moderator who is trying to keep you here as a positive contributor really about says it all about your intentions. And, for the record, my comment yesterday in small print about a "PM coming" was an inside joke to another forum member who PM's me often with great discussions on these topics. It was not directed at you in any way.
If anyone else disagrees with this position, please feel free to report your viewpoint to Peter. If he decides to replace me as a moderator, I'll accept his decision and move on. Until then, I intend to do the job I was asked to do when I signed on as moderator and consultant to this forum.
Okay with all these people dropping out due to health issues, it seems touring can take its toll.
I travel a lot in my Job and Airplane air and airports usually hit me with several flues and colds over the course of the year no matter how well I take care of myself
Not slagging the current line up here, BUT
Would it not be awesome to see the Fragile Line up perform a one off series? Not talking about a perm line up here...
Not talking a Union spectacle here, no big machine grinding its gears
I mean if Zeppelin did it at the O2 in London... I don't think the nostalgic draw would be anywhere near as big as Zep,
BUT several shows in a decent sized venue with no tearing down, traveling etc. THAT in itself would be an event
I would drop some good coin to see that, and besides some nostalgia would be good for the soul, for the band and the fans.
And while I am wishful thinking throw a Roger Dean stage design/media presentation in the mix...and a unicorn
"...Would it not be awesome to see the Fragile Line up perform a one off series? Not talking about a perm line up here..."
Sorry, had to edit my own post. Can't reveal or even hiint at personal knowledge, it's my own guideline.
I am, however, probably too close to this and may be losing my objectivity. Can't allow that to happen, so I'll step out of this discussion. Enjoy the rest of it, folks, for what it's worth.
just_bassics wrote:"...Would it not be awesome to see the Fragile Line up perform a one off series? Not talking about a perm line up here..."
Sorry, had to edit my own post. Can't reveal or even hiint at personal knowledge, it's my own guideline.
I am, however, probably too close to this and may be losing my objectivity. Can't allow that to happen, so I'll step out of this discussion. Enjoy the rest of it, folks, for what it's worth.
Anderson ,Wakeman, Bruford, Howe was soooo close... sooooo close
