Curiosity of my 366/12

[RicOfire]

Since I got some good info about getting the missing parts for my 366/12, I became more interested in searching this forum for others with this same guitar. Looking in the register, there are quite a few of these models in there. I also noticed that narrowing the search down to the 366/12 models, there were plenty of 336/12 models mixed in. Be that as it may, there were plenty of pics in their and I ran across a bit of an anomaly. I noticed the all the head stocks pictured had different key winds than mine. They are the 'period correct' key winds that are also on my new 660. So, what I was wondering was, are my key winds an aftermarket set? They are aged seemingly the same as the guitar but are much different than the 'standard' sets I've seen. I may have to venture over to the RIC forum and ask them but, maybe someone here has an explanation on this.

Below are pics of my head stock and one I found on the register. Oddly enough the serial numbers are only six digits apart. The bottom pic is my head stock.

[johnhall]

Answered on the other board.

[RicOfire]

Answered on the other board.

Not there yet?

[collin]

Yours are not original.

[johnhall]

I assumed the top photo was his guitar, in which case they do appear to be genuine Kluson Deluxe keys. Certainly the set pictured at the bottom are not original.

[libratune]

Below are pics of my head stock and one I found on the register. Oddly enough the serial numbers are only six digits apart. The bottom pic is my head stock.

You can see the "footprint" on the back of the headstock of your guitar of the original Kluson Deluxe tuners that used to be there. Look especially at the top two.

[RicOfire]

I have had this guitar for 10 years and had never questioned the originality of the tuners. They seem to work OK though. I wonder what the reason was for the change? I may have to consider changing these out for the original 'period correct' Klusons.

[jps]

I have had this guitar for 10 years and had never questioned the originality of the tuners. They seem to work OK though. I wonder what the reason was for the change?

Tuner changing was/is a very popular sport, especially so in the 70's.

[fabandgear]

Those machines on the bottom picture are from a Gibson guitar. They have the unmistakable "Keystone" buttons. If you remove one of the tuners, the original imprint and mounting holes from the Klusons should be visable. Imho, Gibson machines on a Rickenbacker is like Pontiac hubcaps on a Dodge truck !

[iiipopes]

If you look carefully at the second picture, enlarged, you can see the edge of a screw hole of one of the original Klusons at the edge of the top right tuner. Moreover, you can see up and down both edges of the headstock the imprint of the Kluson case stampings as well.

[RicOfire]

"If you look carefully at the second picture, enlarged, you can see the edge of a screw hole of one of the original Klusons at the edge of the top right tuner."

Uh? No...There is no 'evidence' of a screw hole to be seen seeping out from under any of these tuners. Actually, whoever put them on did a decent job to minimize any finger print. Only after close examination can you see evidence of a prior tuner pattern. It seems to show up more clearly in the photo. Not so much in person. Anyway, IMO, these tuners were put on due to the larger size of the 'paddles' making it a little easier to distinguish one from the other. However, as I said, I'll likely change them back at some point but, for now, I'm working on the pieces missing from the converter system. I'm in contact with Winfield and they will sell me only the pieces I need.

[Colonel Blues]

Back to good 'ole Kluson should be nice !!!

[collin]

Btw, the currently-mounted tuners are known as "waffle-back" Klusons, as found on some 1970s- era Gibsons.

I'd put them up on eBay and recoup what you can towards the correct button-head Klusons. Much cleaner look!

[RicOfire]

Your concerns are noted. There are many 'anomalies' found on the head stock. None of which show old screw holes. Only evidence that, once upon a time, there were other tuners (the originals) mounted. To me, at the present time, they don't present an issue. If I run across a set of the Kluson's with the buttons that are reasonably priced, I'll be on 'em like white on rice. If any of you come across a set, please let me know. Winfield claims that they have them but, it looks like they want 35 bucks a piece for them. That's 420 bucks (WOW! ) for a full set! RIC sells them as well for a little cheaper. At any rate, I'll have to put that part off for a little while until the funds are available. Being retired has it's limits...at least for the moment. But, It will happen!

I have ordered the converter parts that I'm missing from Winfield. As they are stuck somewhere in the middle of the 20th century, it will be sometime before I get these parts having had to use snail mail to accomplish this. I do have a Pay Pal account but, only uses my credit card for payment on items. So, I'll wait a little longer.

P.S. Collin, if I haven't already, thanks for the PM and possible 'deal' on these missing parts.

[RicOfire]

Well, geez folks. My ignorance may be looming in this thread. I'm looking at the original style key winds on the RIC site and they are showing a cost of 50 bucks. I can't assume that this price is for a set because it's not specific. I'm 'guessing' that it is for a set and if this is true, replacement key winds will be in the near future! I'm looking at getting two sets of the 'long' tuners for my 366. The same tuners are mounted on my 660 which looks like it has the longs. Does anybody know if the prices are for 'sets' or for 'each'?