Rutherford 4001 tone on 'Selling England'?

[krabapple]

For a gig later this year, I'm working on "Firth of Fifth' and 'Cinema Show'. I know MR was playing his double-neck custom 4001 Ric/12 string combo back then, and played with a pick -- I'm going to try to make do with just my single necked '77 4001 (and a pick). It's been modded so I can switch the cap in and out, though I presume MR's was 'in'. I'm seeking advice on how to get 'that tone' that he got on that album...a tone not at all like Squire's or Lee's, more like McCartney's warm fuzzy sound but with a bit of treble bite, (when he wasn't buried in the mix). I've got lots of leeway to pick amps and other outboard gear...I'll be renting all that.

Oh, a nd I'm also tasked with playing 'Eleventh Earl of Mar', which sounds totally different . Advice on that sound would be welcome too.

[jps]

I saw the SEBTP tour twice.

[CageyPea]

Well, I don't know what kind of amp he was using back then, but my guess would be the standard Rotosounds and both pickups on full vol, full treble. And if this clip is any indication, pick the strings just below the neck pickup; a fuller, "rounder" tone. Squire and Geddy I think favored, if not outright soloed, the bridge pickup, and Squire it seems usually picked between the bridge and the bridge pickup.

For "Mar", well I think he was playing his (new) Shergold bass at that point -- which has its bridge pickup much closer to the bridge, right up against it, it looks like -- and a pretty gnarly distortion box! Still pick-and-Rotosounds, I'm sure. But he also had a Hagstrom 8-string during that era, and I wonder if that's what we hear during the crunchy "See the Stewart all dressed up / He's got eyes in the back of his head" part.

D@mn it, man; you're making me get nostalgic!!

[johnallg]

Maybe Jason (jdogric12) will chime in. He just did a Genesis tribute gig in Alexandria and may have useful ideas.

Wish we could tag people here..... Maybe message him?

[jdogric12]

Don't worry, I'm here!

Let me know if you want to rent this...

...the paint should be dry in a week or two

Shoot me a pm and I'll answer all the questions you like. I'll also send you a link to view a private video my band has of a recent show where we did the 70's stuff. It's not quite fit for public consumption, but I'll gladly make it available for a fellow active Genesis tribute band member such as yourself to watch.

Here is our only public video... 1983 material. Very different.


For more information on Selling Fairfax by the Pound, please visit your local library.
Our keyboardist is usually there in a trench coat peering from over the top of an upside-down book.
https://www.facebook.com/SellingFairfax

Our next show is in Baltimore in May at the 8x10:
http://www.missiontix.com/events/produc ... s-tribute-

[krabapple]

Thanks folks!

[ram]

Jason, you guys sound good... don't know if I can make your next show or not but will try.

[Lefty4003S8]

Wasn't Mike playing Shergolds by the time they recorded "Eleventh Earle of Mar"??? BTW...I SAW Genesis perform that song---FRONT ROW!!!!
(Beat THAT Mr. Scott)

[jdogric12]

http://www.shergold.co.uk/mikes.html

[bartyclue]

Don't worry, I'm here!

Let me know if you want to rent this...

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...the paint should be dry in a week or two

Shoot me a pm and I'll answer all the questions you like. I'll also send you a link to view a private video my band has of a recent show where we did the 70's stuff. It's not quite fit for public consumption, but I'll gladly make it available for a fellow active Genesis tribute band member such as yourself to watch.

Here is our only public video... 1983 material. Very different.


For more information on Selling Fairfax by the Pound, please visit your local library.
Our keyboardist is usually there in a trench coat peering from over the top of an upside-down book.
https://www.facebook.com/SellingFairfax

Our next show is in Baltimore in May at the 8x10:
http://www.missiontix.com/events/produc ... s-tribute-

Wow I so enjoyed this. Great Job you guys

[jps]

Wasn't Mike playing Shergolds by the time they recorded "Eleventh Earle of Mar"??? BTW...I SAW Genesis perform that song---FRONT ROW!!!!
(Beat THAT Mr. Scott)

You really want me to do that?

[bluewhale]

I like Rutherford's sound on that album especially. The strings he used on "Battle of Epping Forest" sound like they're right out of the package.

[woodyng]

Wasn't Mike playing Shergolds by the time they recorded "Eleventh Earle of Mar"??? BTW...I SAW Genesis perform that song---FRONT ROW!!!!
(Beat THAT Mr. Scott)

You really want me to do that?

Why restrain yourself now?
Ok,i got to,see these guys on more than a few occasions over the years,myself. Starting with January 1974 Drury Lane theatre London......Peter flying around on a guide wire a la Peter Pan.....

[jps]

For "Mar", well I think he was playing his (new) Shergold bass at that point...

He was playing the Shergold on the TOTT tour, at least he did the two consecutive nights I saw it.

The first night was courtesy of Phil Collins (beat that, Greg! )

[Lefty4003S8]

For "Mar", well I think he was playing his (new) Shergold bass at that point...

He was playing the Shergold on the TOTT tour, at least he did the two consecutive nights I saw it.

The first night was courtesy of Phil Collins (beat that, Greg! )

Jeff.....you KNOW you sunk my battleship a LONG time ago!!!