4001FL with fretlines?

jaymi · Post by **jaymi** » Mon Jan 10, 2005 9:24 am

nope that's BG....BG is the only color that is translucent. I have had 2 rubies and it is red over silver and you CANNOT see the skunk stripe.

thx1955 · Post by **thx1955** » Mon Jan 10, 2005 9:27 am

According to the folks at Rickenbacker, Fireglo is one of the hardest finishes to capture accuratley, I suspect Burgandy is almost as hard.

On Mike's site there's a fair amount of difference between the Burgandy, and Burgandyglo finishes, in some cases they look almost black.

I suspect differences in ambient and artificial lighting temperature plays a big part in the perception of how light or dark the finish is.

The finish on this 4001-FL appears a lot lighter than any of the others at Mike's site.

Ps ... that Purpleglo finish on the Hudson at the foot of the page is lovely, now there's a candidate for "colour of the year" !!!

rictified · Post by **rictified** » Mon Jan 10, 2005 9:49 am

Yeah that purple is a nice color.
When I bought my Azureglo 4001 4 years ago I was told and believed that it was a Midnight Blue bass. I had a new Midnight blue 4003 at the time too, the Azureglo is a little more blue than the metallic Midnight Blue is.
If that 4001FL is Burgandy I have never seen another anywhere near being that light colored but I suppose it's possible.
Mike has two guitars that he identifies as Ruby and they are indistiguishalble at least in photos from Burgandy to me. We also discussed the names Burgandyglo and Burgandy a few years ago and I think the final answer was that the real name was Burgandy and never really had been Burgandyglo, I'm not posistive though as I seem to remember someone saying that they had seen both names in various catalogues over the years.

rickaddict · Post by **rickaddict** » Mon Jan 10, 2005 10:15 am

Bob-

What year is your Burgundy again? I remember the thread that JH chimed in on about Burgundy. As I remember it, he said that the earliest version of Burgundy was jetglo mixed with fireglo, that there was a lot of variation, and that the later version was not a mix of the two.

My 1987 Ruby is definitely not a Red or a Burgundy. It has RBY written inside the control cavity and it is metallic and non-transparent. I wish I had a photo!

I went to Mike's websight. He does have a (very bright looking) 1984 Ruby 4003 and says that the color ended in 1984, but then he has an example of Ruby from 1987 as well as one from 1989 on the same page. Ruby can take on a drastically different look depending on lighting conditions. I don't think that Mike mis-labeled any of the colors on that page, but I do think that sometimes it is hard to tell the difference between Ruby and Burgundy from a photo.

4003 from 2002:
http://homer.netmar.com/~muscon2/r442.jpg

Ruby 360 from 1987:
http://homer.netmar.com/~muscon2/r194.jpg

Red 4003 from Dec 1996:
http://homer.netmar.com/~muscon2/r277.jpg

rictified · Post by **rictified** » Mon Jan 10, 2005 1:27 pm

Mine is an 81 4003, I've seen those two you are talking about on Mike's site they look exactly like Burgandy to me. I've never seen a bright red Burgandy, they've always have been dark as far as I know. Burgandy is wine colored.
Officially Ruby did end in 84 I'm pretty sure, but there were a few stragglers and also a few made before that if I remember right.

rictified · Post by **rictified** » Mon Jan 10, 2005 1:31 pm

My 4003 is almost exactly like the 2002 4003, the Ruby 360 looks like Burgandy to me. That 4001FL looks more like the red 96 4003 than anything.

rictified · Post by **rictified** » Tue Jan 11, 2005 7:46 am

4 hours left and we'll never know the color nor how it happens to have fretlines.

wints · Post by **wints** » Tue Jan 11, 2005 8:27 am

I still don,t think it,s an original board. We,ve all seen quite a few FL,s over the years and none have had lines. Pity someone close couldn,t take a look...

jaymi · Post by **jaymi** » Tue Jan 11, 2005 8:59 am

Honestly, it looks like someone added lines to it. I still go with burg...

atomic_punk · Post by **atomic_punk** » Tue Jan 11, 2005 2:24 pm

What would those lines be? Drawn on? an inlay?

rictified · Post by **rictified** » Tue Jan 11, 2005 3:08 pm

He said they were painted on under the finish, I think the neck was refinished even though he was adament it wasn't. It is very shiny like a stock FL though.

jaymi · Post by **jaymi** » Wed Jan 12, 2005 4:34 am

It would have to be refin'd to get lines on that fretboard.

rictified · Post by **rictified** » Wed Jan 12, 2005 4:40 am

Yes, that is my point, but he says he's a luthier and would spot any refinishing done. I thought maybe there was a small chance it had been done at the Ric factory as they have done custom things like that in the past because the finish on the neck looks factory to me and the job looks very good. It's been relisted.

rickfan60 · Post by **rickfan60** » Wed Jan 12, 2005 5:13 am

He says he is a luthier but he also says the bass has a set neck.

rictified · Post by **rictified** » Wed Jan 12, 2005 5:15 am

hahah! He e-mailed me back and said he had made a mistake.