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Wildberry wrote:

pocaloc wrote:Does anyone know when the Deluxe version of Fables is due to be released?

My best guess would be just after summer, early autumn - with the new album coming early next year at the earliest

Thanks. I was over in the Netherlands a few years ago. One of the coolest places I've ever been.

I saw REM way back in early/mid 80's in the gym at Williams College. Anybody have a recording of that?

rikk wrote:I saw REM way back in early/mid 80's in the gym at Williams College. Anybody have a recording of that?

I checked the R.E.M. Timeline, and the first mention of Williams College is this:

remtimeline.com wrote: 4 May 1985 - Lansing Arena, Williams College, Williamstown, MA
support: The Neats
set: Feeling Gravitys Pull / Second Guessing / Green Grow The Rushes / Driver 8 / Can't Get There From Here / Laughing / Hyena / So. Central Rain / Good Advices / Maps And Legends / Seven Chinese Brothers / Auctioneer (Another Engine) / Old Man Kensey / Life And How To Live It / Pretty Persuasion / Little America
encore 1: Last Date / Just A Touch / (Don't Go Back to) Rockville / Harborcoat
encore 2: Theme From Two Steps Onward / Have You Ever Seen The Rain? / Wild Thing
notes: This setlist may or may not be correct - there is some evidence it may not be correct. For the first minute of Just A Touch, the song is played in a totally different style, beginning wth just Stipe singing, then the rest join in shortly after

No mention of it being available on a bootleg (vinyl or silver CD), but it might exist as audience recording, which I doubt anyone with any sense of music will love as they're more often than not horrible to listen to...

My favorite R.E.M. bootleg is called "Return of the Rickenbackers" and was recorded, if I recall correctly, in 1984 (I have it on cassette somewhere). It's one of the few shows where Peter Buck plays 12-string almost exclusively. (I always assumed that onstage tuning problems were what prevented him from playing the 12 much in concert). To see him with 12-string in action, search "R.E.M. Raleigh 1985" on You Tube. He plays his jetglo 360/12 on three songs: "Talk About the Passion," "So. Central Rain" and "Good Advices."

I had no idea there were deluxe versions of the early I.R.S. albums coming out. Can anybody tell me a little about the bonus tracks on "Murmur" and "Reckoning"?
Anything of interest to collectors? I still think "Fables" is their most fully-realized folk-rock record, so that's the one I'm really waiting for. Kudos to Peter and the band for returning to their early material in concert. The next time they tour, I will most certainly go to see them.

Wildberry wrote:

rikk wrote:I saw REM way back in early/mid 80's in the gym at Williams College. Anybody have a recording of that?

I checked the R.E.M. Timeline, and the first mention of Williams College is this:

remtimeline.com wrote: 4 May 1985 - Lansing Arena, Williams College, Williamstown, MA
support: The Neats
set: Feeling Gravitys Pull / Second Guessing / Green Grow The Rushes / Driver 8 / Can't Get There From Here / Laughing / Hyena / So. Central Rain / Good Advices / Maps And Legends / Seven Chinese Brothers / Auctioneer (Another Engine) / Old Man Kensey / Life And How To Live It / Pretty Persuasion / Little America
encore 1: Last Date / Just A Touch / (Don't Go Back to) Rockville / Harborcoat
encore 2: Theme From Two Steps Onward / Have You Ever Seen The Rain? / Wild Thing
notes: This setlist may or may not be correct - there is some evidence it may not be correct. For the first minute of Just A Touch, the song is played in a totally different style, beginning wth just Stipe singing, then the rest join in shortly after

No mention of it being available on a bootleg (vinyl or silver CD), but it might exist as audience recording, which I doubt anyone with any sense of music will love as they're more often than not horrible to listen to...

That could have been it. It would not have been any later than that, but I think it was actually earlier. I went with a girl from school and didn't recall it being that late in the school year. That's almost finals time IIRC. Now my memory may not be that good. I remember them playing some Steppenwolf. Did they ever play Steppenwolf covers?

Folkie wrote:
I had no idea there were deluxe versions of the early I.R.S. albums coming out. Can anybody tell me a little about the bonus tracks on "Murmur" and "Reckoning"?

Murmur has a live recording. I don't have the CD here, but it's a nice concert.

Wildberry wrote:

rikk wrote:I saw REM way back in early/mid 80's in the gym at Williams College. Anybody have a recording of that?

I checked the R.E.M. Timeline, and the first mention of Williams College is this:

remtimeline.com wrote: 4 May 1985 - Lansing Arena, Williams College, Williamstown, MA
support: The Neats
set: Feeling Gravitys Pull / Second Guessing / Green Grow The Rushes / Driver 8 / Can't Get There From Here / Laughing / Hyena / So. Central Rain / Good Advices / Maps And Legends / Seven Chinese Brothers / Auctioneer (Another Engine) / Old Man Kensey / Life And How To Live It / Pretty Persuasion / Little America
encore 1: Last Date / Just A Touch / (Don't Go Back to) Rockville / Harborcoat
encore 2: Theme From Two Steps Onward / Have You Ever Seen The Rain? / Wild Thing
notes: This setlist may or may not be correct - there is some evidence it may not be correct. For the first minute of Just A Touch, the song is played in a totally different style, beginning wth just Stipe singing, then the rest join in shortly after

No mention of it being available on a bootleg (vinyl or silver CD), but it might exist as audience recording, which I doubt anyone with any sense of music will love as they're more often than not horrible to listen to...

I lived in Williamstown the year before (parent on teaching sabbatical there) and if I'd still been around, this would have radically changed my jr. high life for the better (I think the Waitresses played while I was there -- I know what boys like: REM instead of the waitresses). Thanks for the nostalgic snapshot.

Folkie wrote:Anything of interest to collectors?

Reckoning Deluxe Edition has the little snippet which was on the vinyl, but not on the first and "Vintage" CD editions.

rikk wrote:That could have been it. It would not have been any later than that, but I think it was actually earlier. I went with a girl from school and didn't recall it being that late in the school year. That's almost finals time IIRC. Now my memory may not be that good. I remember them playing some Steppenwolf. Did they ever play Steppenwolf covers?

Rule is that if it's not on remtimeline.com it probably didn't happen - the site is like 99,99% complete. If you're right it would mean a new show added which would be quite the news.

I think they did some Born to Be Wild covers here and there, but not too often.

rikk wrote:

Folkie wrote:I had no idea there were deluxe versions of the early I.R.S. albums coming out. Can anybody tell me a little about the bonus tracks on "Murmur" and "Reckoning"?

Murmur has a live recording. I don't have the CD here, but it's a nice concert.

Reckoning has a live 2nd disc as well. Put the live disc of either Murmur or Reckoning into an old fashioned CD player, hit play, then the rewind button and rewind the first track to reveal an album radio ad from the year the album was released!

cestlamort wrote:I lived in Williamstown the year before (parent on teaching sabbatical there) and if I'd still been around, this would have radically changed my jr. high life for the better (I think the Waitresses played while I was there -- I know what boys like: REM instead of the waitresses). Thanks for the nostalgic snapshot.

Well, living in a small village near the Hague, in the Netherlands wasn't that great in the 1980s either

Better quality (of video, audio about the same) of Harborcoat (the guy uploading this to YouTube's a brit as he wrote HarboUr Coat?)

Young REM, and the Illegal Record Syndicate years; some of the best open-road driving music around."Reckoning" leads the way for me on any U.S. highway. "Fables of the Reconstruction" rules 35 near Turner Falls Oklahoma. I always partake, with early Smiths coming in a close second on return trips. Buck, Marr, Ronson, Frehley, Winter and Page are my top fiiiiiivvvvee I mean six players, in that order. REM helped me get through high school, college, first, second and third job hunts, and a few girlfriends. I do consider these cats good friends.

Addendum: Some texts state that I.R.S. stands for International Record Syndicate, but I distinctly remember hearing Steward Copeland on a "behind the music" interview talking about I.R.S., and he used the word "illegal."

...wisdom

indianation66 wrote:
Addendum: Some texts state that I.R.S. stands for International Record Syndicate, but I distinctly remember hearing Steward Copeland on a "behind the music" interview talking about I.R.S., and he used the word "illegal."

...wisdom

I remember getting records in from IRS in college and I remember it as "International Record Syndicate."

indianation66 wrote:Young REM, and the Illegal Record Syndicate years; some of the best open-road driving music around."Reckoning" leads the way for me on any U.S. highway. "Fables of the Reconstruction" rules 35 near Turner Falls Oklahoma. I always partake, with early Smiths coming in a close second on return trips. Buck, Marr, Ronson, Frehley, Winter and Page are my top fiiiiiivvvvee I mean six players, in that order. REM helped me get through high school, college, first, second and third job hunts, and a few girlfriends. I do consider these cats good friends.

Addendum: Some texts state that I.R.S. stands for International Record Syndicate, but I distinctly remember hearing Steward Copeland on a "behind the music" interview talking about I.R.S., and he used the word "illegal."

...wisdom

I think it's International Record Syndicate too. I also remember Stewart Copeland on R.E.M. I remember he said he really liked them (I'm paraphrasing) but wished they would play with more balls and less wimpy jingle jangle. I thought have you ever heard Reckoning, Lifes Rich pageant, Document, etc.? I really liked the Police, but don't remember much in the way of balls beyond there 1st record.

I did some more checking; Illegal was the beginning label set up by the Copeland brothers in England. I think they were military kids living overseas at the time. International soon followed...

...wisdom through research

blue330 wrote:Not mine. Interesting clip, though! I did have a burgundy 340 for awhile, and I can't remember where it went next, but it's not the one in the video.

Mitch, did you bust out some rickenbacker sounds on Stephen Duffy's "duffy" album from the mid-90's?? i have some rememberances of you being involved with that record....or am i crazy??

indianation66 wrote:Addendum: Some texts state that I.R.S. stands for International Record Syndicate, but I distinctly remember hearing Steward Copeland on a "behind the music" interview talking about I.R.S., and he used the word "illegal."

Yeah, Illegal's one of the IRS labels - I bet he was mixing things up.

Of course, nobody can retell stories in a different way like Peter Buck

Whenever I read Duffy I'm reminded of the welsh singer and her horribly overrated album

Wildberry wrote:

indianation66 wrote:Addendum: Some texts state that I.R.S. stands for International Record Syndicate, but I distinctly remember hearing Steward Copeland on a "behind the music" interview talking about I.R.S., and he used the word "illegal."

Yeah, Illegal's one of the IRS labels - I bet he was mixing things up.

Of course, nobody can retell stories in a different way like Peter Buck

Whenever I read Duffy I'm reminded of the welsh singer and her horribly overrated album

i bet STEPHEN Duffy wasn't thrilled by her rise to fame either.