Did "Face to Face" come out before Revolver?
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Did "Face to Face" come out before Revolver?
Sunny Afternoon talks bad of the "Taxman" and i was just wondering if George may have pinched the idea from the kinks? anyone know?
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Not enough in advance, IMHO. Revolver was already in post when "Sunny Afternoon was on the radio, as I remember.
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...and according to Dave Emlen, Kinks expert, "Face to Face was only released in November of '66, while "Revolver" came out in August of the same year.
I can't reconcile this with my memories of hearing "Sunny Afternoon" on my summer job that July...it was the single release on that album, and why release a song about summer in November?
Maybe the single was released before the album?
I can't reconcile this with my memories of hearing "Sunny Afternoon" on my summer job that July...it was the single release on that album, and why release a song about summer in November?
Maybe the single was released before the album?
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Sunny Afternoon was released in the UK on June 18, 1966. The plot thickens, perhaps? I played this with my group, "The Wild Set" in the summer of 1966. So somehow we got a hold of the recording before it charted in the US on September 10, 1966.
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The exact date of the release for 'Sunny Afternoon'(the single) was June 3rd, '66 and it became an obsession for Harrison.
Reprise wasn't keen on the release in the U.S. but it did get into Billboards Top 20, peaking at #14
Reprise wasn't keen on the release in the U.S. but it did get into Billboards Top 20, peaking at #14
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Stan, thanks for that. My memory didn't fail me.
Where did you read that it was an "obsession for Harrison"?
Where did you read that it was an "obsession for Harrison"?
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Everything is influence one way or another. If you think something is totally original, just dig into the past and you'll find where it came from.
We are human and we can't help but be influenced by the things we like or love if you see what I mean. There is nothing wrong with this at all, it's been done for centuries. The new replaces the old. Didn't George write a song about this subject? Still all in all, the British groups made tons of money in America, only to give a vast majority of it to the Government of the Crown. I love the line in "When We Was Fab" Back Long Ago When Income Tax Was All We Had.
What at gentle soul he was. We miss you George and your music.
We are human and we can't help but be influenced by the things we like or love if you see what I mean. There is nothing wrong with this at all, it's been done for centuries. The new replaces the old. Didn't George write a song about this subject? Still all in all, the British groups made tons of money in America, only to give a vast majority of it to the Government of the Crown. I love the line in "When We Was Fab" Back Long Ago When Income Tax Was All We Had.
What at gentle soul he was. We miss you George and your music.
Sunny Afternoon” Ray Davies (1966)
”Sunny Afternoon” was released as a single on June 3, 1966 and become an across the board #1 hit on the U.K. charts and reached #14 in the United States. The song’s success would help solidify The Kinks and songwriter Ray Davies in particular, as the foremost incorporators of English music hall style into rock and roll. The kitschy vignettes skewering tightly wound social mores of British society had already been explored in earlier recordings, such as ”A Well Respected Man” and ”Dedicated Follower Of Fashion”. While ”Sunny Afternoon” appeared a breezy tune on the surface, it belied a scathing indictment of a brutal tax system that in itself would become a favorite preoccupation of English musicians, such as George Harrison’s ”Taxman” of the same period and would help drive The Rolling Stones into tax exile a few years later.
(Excerpt from All Music)
After reading my previous post, Paul, I should have clarified it better. George became obsessive over 'taxes' not the Kinks song itself, though that's how I seem to make it read.
”Sunny Afternoon” was released as a single on June 3, 1966 and become an across the board #1 hit on the U.K. charts and reached #14 in the United States. The song’s success would help solidify The Kinks and songwriter Ray Davies in particular, as the foremost incorporators of English music hall style into rock and roll. The kitschy vignettes skewering tightly wound social mores of British society had already been explored in earlier recordings, such as ”A Well Respected Man” and ”Dedicated Follower Of Fashion”. While ”Sunny Afternoon” appeared a breezy tune on the surface, it belied a scathing indictment of a brutal tax system that in itself would become a favorite preoccupation of English musicians, such as George Harrison’s ”Taxman” of the same period and would help drive The Rolling Stones into tax exile a few years later.
(Excerpt from All Music)
After reading my previous post, Paul, I should have clarified it better. George became obsessive over 'taxes' not the Kinks song itself, though that's how I seem to make it read.
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Gotcha, Stan.
It's odd, not a whole lot of people seem to follow the Kinks after about 1977 or so. My copies of "Misfits" ('79 or '80) are worn through to the other side and are playing backwards.
See "Foreign Land" on that album for a direct hit at taxes and a look at the desperate lives of tax refugees. One of my Kinks faves. On that album also are "Black Messiah" and (of course) the title song, which is yet another plea to never-content Dave (this one in song) to keep the band together. A sterling effort.
If you buy it on CD, there are some bonus tracks, including the gritty "Father Christmas" with its wry humor underscoring the grim lives and jaded outlook of working-class council-flat children.
It's odd, not a whole lot of people seem to follow the Kinks after about 1977 or so. My copies of "Misfits" ('79 or '80) are worn through to the other side and are playing backwards.
See "Foreign Land" on that album for a direct hit at taxes and a look at the desperate lives of tax refugees. One of my Kinks faves. On that album also are "Black Messiah" and (of course) the title song, which is yet another plea to never-content Dave (this one in song) to keep the band together. A sterling effort.
If you buy it on CD, there are some bonus tracks, including the gritty "Father Christmas" with its wry humor underscoring the grim lives and jaded outlook of working-class council-flat children.
“I say in speeches that a plausible mission of artists is to make people appreciate being alive at least a little bit. I am then asked if I know of any artists who pulled that off. I reply, 'The Beatles did.”
― Kurt Vonnegut
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My best friend is a Kinks nut! Misfits is one of his all time faves...but all of them are really. Too bad Ray and Dave still, essentially, have 'blood in their eyes' for one another. A good, recent (if you can call it such) CD was "To The Bone" that Ray put out...pretty fine!
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Paul, unfortunately I wasn't old enough to appreciate the Kinks in the 1960's. I first got interested in them when I caught them on Saturday Night Live in 1976 or 1977. They were playing songs from 'Sleepwalker' and a medley of old hits. I saw their live shows for 'Misfits' and 'Low Budget' in 1979 and 1980. Like many people I consider their Pye sixties material to be second only to the Beatles (I wonder how they would have sounded with George Martin?). I've learned to like their RCA seventies stuff, but their later Arista stuff sounds very dated to me. Mostly it's the keyboards that haven't aged well. That and the fact that Ray seems to keep stealing riffs from himself (something he freely admits). I did however enjoy 'Storyteller'. Ray Davies is a troubled genius. It's too bad the Kinks never had the time to properly record and produce their best work in the sixties.
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One of the wildest old concerts I attended was the Kinks in Vancouver, BC, in September of '81. I never saw so much blatant coke use, and about half of it was by the band.
My wife and I stayed sober and enjoyed some excellent fried chicken.
My wife and I stayed sober and enjoyed some excellent fried chicken.
“I say in speeches that a plausible mission of artists is to make people appreciate being alive at least a little bit. I am then asked if I know of any artists who pulled that off. I reply, 'The Beatles did.”
― Kurt Vonnegut
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I recently purchased an interesting book from Amazon. It's all about the 'Village Preservation Society' album. It's very well researched and I learned a lot about the Kinks, Ray Davies, and their recording sessions. I would highly recommend it to anyone interested in that period of their career. It also sheds some light on many lost and rare tracks like those found on the 'Great Lost Kinks Album'.
I don't know that I'd recommend Dave Davies' autobiography 'Kink' to anyone. It was very disturbing to a longtime fan such as myself. Perhaps it's a case of not being able to handle some truths. Maybe it shows that sometimes it best not to know everything about your heroes...
I don't know that I'd recommend Dave Davies' autobiography 'Kink' to anyone. It was very disturbing to a longtime fan such as myself. Perhaps it's a case of not being able to handle some truths. Maybe it shows that sometimes it best not to know everything about your heroes...