BASSO PROFUNDO
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Locally-based Forumite Gareth H. dropped off his '79 4001 for a complete going-over. It's a bass that's seen better times, but continued to sing (thump?) for its supper until quite recently.
It's a relatively rare BT model, touched up at least once around the headstock (probably often-thwacked) with a quickie nitro respray. Gareth sent me a pic of what he would like it to look like: Aged FG, and early '70s look of white binding with checkerboard inside. I love the look, personally!
Here are some shots of the bass when it arrived. You can see how the varnish has yellowed and the entire paint finish has heavily checked over the decades. There was a slice of a CD pasted under the nut to raise the action a bit, someone put a strap anchor in the heel, but aside from this typical meatball junk, it's a solid bass with a good neck.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v693/jingle_jangle/1979%204001BT/boardfinish.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v693/jingle_jangle/1979%204001BT/badfretfin.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v693/jingle_jangle/1979%204001BT/CDnut.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v693/jingle_jangle/1979%204001BT/checkhead.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v693/jingle_jangle/1979%204001BT/fretboard.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v693/jingle_jangle/1979%204001BT/ex-sticker.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v693/jingle_jangle/1979%204001BT/chip.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v693/jingle_jangle/1979%204001BT/fretwear.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v693/jingle_jangle/1979%204001BT/inlay.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v693/jingle_jangle/1979%204001BT/jackplate.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v693/jingle_jangle/1979%204001BT/no-no.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v693/jingle_jangle/1979%204001BT/splithead.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v693/jingle_jangle/1979%204001BT/sidevarnish.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v693/jingle_jangle/1979%204001BT/trpocket.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v693/jingle_jangle/1979%204001BT/tuner.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v693/jingle_jangle/1979%204001BT/tunersoff.jpg
It's a relatively rare BT model, touched up at least once around the headstock (probably often-thwacked) with a quickie nitro respray. Gareth sent me a pic of what he would like it to look like: Aged FG, and early '70s look of white binding with checkerboard inside. I love the look, personally!
Here are some shots of the bass when it arrived. You can see how the varnish has yellowed and the entire paint finish has heavily checked over the decades. There was a slice of a CD pasted under the nut to raise the action a bit, someone put a strap anchor in the heel, but aside from this typical meatball junk, it's a solid bass with a good neck.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v693/jingle_jangle/1979%204001BT/boardfinish.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v693/jingle_jangle/1979%204001BT/badfretfin.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v693/jingle_jangle/1979%204001BT/CDnut.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v693/jingle_jangle/1979%204001BT/checkhead.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v693/jingle_jangle/1979%204001BT/fretboard.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v693/jingle_jangle/1979%204001BT/ex-sticker.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v693/jingle_jangle/1979%204001BT/chip.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v693/jingle_jangle/1979%204001BT/fretwear.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v693/jingle_jangle/1979%204001BT/inlay.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v693/jingle_jangle/1979%204001BT/jackplate.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v693/jingle_jangle/1979%204001BT/no-no.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v693/jingle_jangle/1979%204001BT/splithead.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v693/jingle_jangle/1979%204001BT/sidevarnish.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v693/jingle_jangle/1979%204001BT/trpocket.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v693/jingle_jangle/1979%204001BT/tuner.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v693/jingle_jangle/1979%204001BT/tunersoff.jpg
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After evaluation and disassembly, it went through the usual defretting and stripping process except that I chemically-stripped the whole bass, since the black binding was coming off anyway. Out of courtesy to the inlays, however, the fretboard varnish was completely sanded off--no chemicals. Two grits were used: 150 and 320, until it was satin-smooth. The board on this was in particularly bad shape and many splinters came out although great care was taken in defretting. The splinters were cautiously super-glued back into place with the aid of magnifying goggles and a Swiss tweezers.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v693/jingle_jangle/1979%204001BT/defretted.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v693/jingle_jangle/1979%204001BT/boardsandcu.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v693/jingle_jangle/1979%204001BT/boardsand.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v693/jingle_jangle/1979%204001BT/stripped1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v693/jingle_jangle/1979%204001BT/stripped2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v693/jingle_jangle/1979%204001BT/stripped3.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v693/jingle_jangle/1979%204001BT/defretted.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v693/jingle_jangle/1979%204001BT/boardsandcu.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v693/jingle_jangle/1979%204001BT/boardsand.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v693/jingle_jangle/1979%204001BT/stripped1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v693/jingle_jangle/1979%204001BT/stripped2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v693/jingle_jangle/1979%204001BT/stripped3.jpg
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All the finish checking led to what I call "spiders", when dirt and moisture find their way into the wood beneath the cracks, leaving a replica of the checking pattern in the wood itself, which must be bleached out.
If you look at the edge of the bass below the binding rout, you'll see the pattern of spiders left in the end-grain of the maple.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v693/jingle_jangle/1979%204001BT/spiders.jpg
Once the body and neck were stripped and sanded, the whole bass was sanded with #150 and then with #320 until it was smooth as can be. Then it was time to cut a channel for the checkerboard binding, which sits inside of the white binding. 80% of this channel, measuring 7/32" wide by 1/16" deep, could be cut with a small router. The remaining 20% had to be hand-cut with a very sharp chisel, as the neck and fretboard interfered with the router base.
After this was done, the checkerboard binding was cut to rough length, glued into the channel and taped into place to set up. It takes LOTS of tape, as you can see. I prefer this to the standard rubber bands and properly done it clamps just as well.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v693/jingle_jangle/1979%204001BT/necksand.jpg
A heat gun is used to spot-soften the binding to get it around those sharp horns.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v693/jingle_jangle/1979%204001BT/heatgun.jpg
The binding is worked around the body and taped solid. I use a glue made of celluloid binding scraps dissolved in ethylene dichloride. This works better than the old binding-in-acetone formula; it penetrates better and hardens much faster.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v693/jingle_jangle/1979%204001BT/checkerglue.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v693/jingle_jangle/1979%204001BT/checkerbound.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v693/jingle_jangle/1979%204001BT/boundcu2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v693/jingle_jangle/1979%204001BT/boundcu.jpg
After an overnight drying period, the white celluloid binding was glued and taped into place over the checkerboard. The taping drill was repeated. You will note that both layers of binding were sized slightly wider than their respective slots, so that each layer stood a bit proud of the surface of the bass. This is standard practice, as after hardening the binding is scraped nearly flush with the surface and sanded the last few thousandths of an inch, until the surfaces are continuous. A bit of scraping is usually necessary on the guitar's edges, too to get the binding/wood seam absolutely flat and gap-free.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v693/jingle_jangle/1979%204001BT/tapeoffhorn.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v693/jingle_jangle/1979%204001BT/horncu.jpg
If you look at the edge of the bass below the binding rout, you'll see the pattern of spiders left in the end-grain of the maple.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v693/jingle_jangle/1979%204001BT/spiders.jpg
Once the body and neck were stripped and sanded, the whole bass was sanded with #150 and then with #320 until it was smooth as can be. Then it was time to cut a channel for the checkerboard binding, which sits inside of the white binding. 80% of this channel, measuring 7/32" wide by 1/16" deep, could be cut with a small router. The remaining 20% had to be hand-cut with a very sharp chisel, as the neck and fretboard interfered with the router base.
After this was done, the checkerboard binding was cut to rough length, glued into the channel and taped into place to set up. It takes LOTS of tape, as you can see. I prefer this to the standard rubber bands and properly done it clamps just as well.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v693/jingle_jangle/1979%204001BT/necksand.jpg
A heat gun is used to spot-soften the binding to get it around those sharp horns.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v693/jingle_jangle/1979%204001BT/heatgun.jpg
The binding is worked around the body and taped solid. I use a glue made of celluloid binding scraps dissolved in ethylene dichloride. This works better than the old binding-in-acetone formula; it penetrates better and hardens much faster.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v693/jingle_jangle/1979%204001BT/checkerglue.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v693/jingle_jangle/1979%204001BT/checkerbound.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v693/jingle_jangle/1979%204001BT/boundcu2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v693/jingle_jangle/1979%204001BT/boundcu.jpg
After an overnight drying period, the white celluloid binding was glued and taped into place over the checkerboard. The taping drill was repeated. You will note that both layers of binding were sized slightly wider than their respective slots, so that each layer stood a bit proud of the surface of the bass. This is standard practice, as after hardening the binding is scraped nearly flush with the surface and sanded the last few thousandths of an inch, until the surfaces are continuous. A bit of scraping is usually necessary on the guitar's edges, too to get the binding/wood seam absolutely flat and gap-free.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v693/jingle_jangle/1979%204001BT/tapeoffhorn.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v693/jingle_jangle/1979%204001BT/horncu.jpg
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Oftentimes a thickened version of he glue concoction, called "mud" is used to fill tiny gaps and spaces in the binding. I add a bit of whiting powder to my "mud" to thicken it and make it pure white to match the binding.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v693/jingle_jangle/1979%204001BT/boundbody.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v693/jingle_jangle/1979%204001BT/horncu.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v693/jingle_jangle/1979%204001BT/mudfill.jpg
After the binding has been touched-up (this bass needed it in four small spots), the entire body is sanded to #320 in preparation for sealer.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v693/jingle_jangle/1979%204001BT/bindingsand.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v693/jingle_jangle/1979%204001BT/hornsandcu.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v693/jingle_jangle/1979%204001BT/sanded.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v693/jingle_jangle/1979%204001BT/readycu.jpg
...And that's where it stands at this moment, while I spray color onto Melissa's 481. While her guitar's curing prior to color-sanding, rub out and assembly, I'll be getting this bass sealed, refretted, and painted with its AFG finish.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v693/jingle_jangle/1979%204001BT/boundbody.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v693/jingle_jangle/1979%204001BT/horncu.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v693/jingle_jangle/1979%204001BT/mudfill.jpg
After the binding has been touched-up (this bass needed it in four small spots), the entire body is sanded to #320 in preparation for sealer.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v693/jingle_jangle/1979%204001BT/bindingsand.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v693/jingle_jangle/1979%204001BT/hornsandcu.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v693/jingle_jangle/1979%204001BT/sanded.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v693/jingle_jangle/1979%204001BT/readycu.jpg
...And that's where it stands at this moment, while I spray color onto Melissa's 481. While her guitar's curing prior to color-sanding, rub out and assembly, I'll be getting this bass sealed, refretted, and painted with its AFG finish.
“I say in speeches that a plausible mission of artists is to make people appreciate being alive at least a little bit. I am then asked if I know of any artists who pulled that off. I reply, 'The Beatles did.”
― Kurt Vonnegut
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BEAUTIFUL Checkered binding--Geez, I love the looks of that!
....And so glad to hear that my 481 is getting its color treatment!
Paul, the amount of things you get done in a day are amazing--and the fact that you still take the time to show us these amazing processes step-by-step with photos and explanations! ...And you somehow work a regular job besides? What's your secret for that kind of productivity? Are you one of those people that thrives on just three hours of sleep each night?
....And so glad to hear that my 481 is getting its color treatment!
Paul, the amount of things you get done in a day are amazing--and the fact that you still take the time to show us these amazing processes step-by-step with photos and explanations! ...And you somehow work a regular job besides? What's your secret for that kind of productivity? Are you one of those people that thrives on just three hours of sleep each night?
"Once I've held and played the best, baby, I won't settle for less!"
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Credit for photography goes to my superb camera--a two-year-old Sony DSC-F717, which has the best lens I've ever used digitally speaking. I highly recommend one, although it is a bit bulky. With a 256MB chip, it will take 1,000 medium-res 640X480 snapshots before the chip needs downloading!
Melissa, I get six hours a night. Goes back to Brasil, where the sun rose at 4:45 each morning, year 'round. Got into the habit of getting up at that time, and haven't needed an alarm clock since.
I work through my lunch hour and at least 3 hours per evening. Then there's weekends, too...
BTW, Melissa, the color is done on the 481, and it'll get varnish tomorrow.
Melissa, I get six hours a night. Goes back to Brasil, where the sun rose at 4:45 each morning, year 'round. Got into the habit of getting up at that time, and haven't needed an alarm clock since.
I work through my lunch hour and at least 3 hours per evening. Then there's weekends, too...
BTW, Melissa, the color is done on the 481, and it'll get varnish tomorrow.
“I say in speeches that a plausible mission of artists is to make people appreciate being alive at least a little bit. I am then asked if I know of any artists who pulled that off. I reply, 'The Beatles did.”
― Kurt Vonnegut
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The Zeiss lens was the factor that made me choose a Sony over the Nikon Digital I went in to purchase. This is my second Sony digital and I'm very pleased.
“I say in speeches that a plausible mission of artists is to make people appreciate being alive at least a little bit. I am then asked if I know of any artists who pulled that off. I reply, 'The Beatles did.”
― Kurt Vonnegut
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Dave, I suppose anything is possible, but conversion varnish is not that forgiving, unfortunately. There is a near-certainty of a chip in the varnish somewhere along the line, and when varnish chips, it takes the body color with it. The result is lots of touch-ups on solids and MG. Touch-ups are tricky on burst finishes.
John, now that the latest Sonys have come out, the former top-of-the-line DSC-F828 is available on eBay at terrific prices, well under a grand.
John, now that the latest Sonys have come out, the former top-of-the-line DSC-F828 is available on eBay at terrific prices, well under a grand.
“I say in speeches that a plausible mission of artists is to make people appreciate being alive at least a little bit. I am then asked if I know of any artists who pulled that off. I reply, 'The Beatles did.”
― Kurt Vonnegut
― Kurt Vonnegut
