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A case against VVT on a 4004

Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 1:18 pm
by charlyg
It's a small thing, but BIG in my eyes. When I am playing up tempo stuff, I have the switch in the down position and play behind the bridge, for mellow stuff in the upper position and play up the neck. I put the tone halfway and the vol max. I also have her middle position for a third tone. The mids are boosted on the amp, with everything else flat. It's a quick flip to get both sounds I need. It would seem a more difficult operation with a VVT setup, no?

Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 1:25 pm
by charlyg
I'm tiired. I am thinking I misunderstand that mod? Me go take nap now.

Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 2:20 pm
by jwr2
for me I get the best tones out of any 2 pickup bass when one pickup is at 10 and the other is at 7 ... this goes for pretty much every 2 pickup bass that I have ever played ... so one toggle, one volume, and one tone will never give me the tone I desire most ...

However I do like a guitar wired toggle, volume, tone ...

most 2 pickup basses will give you a way to blend the pickups ...

Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 2:27 pm
by charlyg
Yes, but you use effects to vary your tone, The switch is all I got!

Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 3:43 pm
by edski
I agree with Charley that I've never felt compelled that the 4004 needs the extra flexibility. Seems like a valid idea, I prefer the idea of dual concentrics however, but I'm happy enough the way it is.

I did finally play my J bass through my new LDS 4x8 cab and I did like the tones, so I might be thinking again about the concentrics harness for the 4004...hmmmm...

But it's not like I dislike anything about the sounds I'm getting out of the Laredo. It's all a very circular argument that can quickly lead to neurosis... Image

Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 4:01 pm
by jdogric12
"for me I get the best tones out of any 2 pickup bass when one pickup is at 10 and the other is at 7 ... this goes for pretty much every 2 pickup bass that I have ever played "

I second that.

Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 4:25 pm
by jps
I third that.

Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 5:13 pm
by sloop_john_b
I don't like VVT. Something that drew me to a Rick bass originally was that it had a selector switch - something that many (most?) basses don't. Love having it.

I like the concentric setup and will probably go with it for my Laredo when I get it back in playing shape. In the end, though, the 4001/4003 nails it for me.

Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 5:18 pm
by jdogric12
"Something that drew me to a Rick bass originally was that it had a selector switch"

Perhaps 'cause you're a guitar player at heart. I think that's my attraction.

Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 5:28 pm
by sloop_john_b
I've always considered myself a bass player first, but heck, maybe I am. All's I know is that i'd much rather use a pickup switch to get drastic tonal changes then fuss with knobs, ala a Fender Jazz (Not a knock against the Jazz, I like 'em). Especially live.

Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 5:47 pm
by jwr2
I like the toggle ... but I have to have a way to blend pickups ...

Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 8:39 am
by zoomduck
I concede to concentric control completely !

Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 10:49 am
by teeder
I have my bridge vol on full with the front pu on 7. They stay that way always. Sometimes I will select just the front or rear as needed, but I don't touch the vol's.
On my Jazz, I do the same, but then I leave it there for everything. I just change my finger location and attack as needed.

Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 11:10 am
by edski
Having one resistor at about 70% and the other at 100% strikes some mental note from college physics. Something about the inverse of the number "e" (about 2.72) playing a role...rf circuits are "best" at (1 - 1/e), about 63.3%.

"7" is a good approximation - you are in the potentiometers "sweet spot". Image The other one is cranking.

Some folks love with their pu's direct to the output jack...some need the ultimate flexibility of the 4001/3 design. Some need a P bass, some like it VVT.

Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 12:06 pm
by charlyg
It doesn't make much sense that EVERY bass vol with two pickups works the same. I would think you should adjust them so the output does not vary when switching between pickups. To set one at 7, no matter what, seems.......I won't say it.