ChriSquire ~ Wood , Wire and Paint

Amos · Post by **Amos** » Tue Feb 06, 2001 8:53 am

Hi DOC.!
Can you tell me, How many 4001V63 came out with vermilion Fret board and wings OTHER than the ChriSquire? also what size fret wire was used.
Do you think Rickenbacker could analyze a paint sample and determine whether or not the paint is the same brand and color as used in their process?
Thanx again Amos

markthemd · Post by **markthemd** » Tue Feb 06, 2001 11:05 am

Not knowing what they are currently using and what the facility is like currently (the last time I was there was when Brian Carman was running the plant and that was about 7 years ago at least )

To my knowledge ,they have NO equipment to analyze paint at the factory.WHY? They use their own finishing materials.

I do NOT work for Rickenbacker and have NOT since October 1976 .I will not and must not put words into John Hall's mouth.For all this inside info ,I suggest you address him.

As to analyzing paint for types...I use several solvents inside cavities to determine 'unknown' finishing materials.Most paints will react to certain solvents .I can determine what was used and if there are any silicone sprays on an instrument using this knowledge.

markthemd · Post by **markthemd** » Tue Feb 06, 2001 11:13 am

AS to the fretwire question ;

go to ... http://www.jimdunlop.com/fret/

there is a chart there that will explain this to you.

Rickenbacker does NOT use Dunlop wire ,they have a French source and Dunlop does NOT make fret wire.

The common sizes are listed .
I use a wire from Dimarzio -DMZ1600U that I use more often than not or 6100 from Dunlop and a Vintage size that I get from Luthiers Mercantile.They cover most of my needs.
I stock 7 sizes however ,these are the 3 most used wires.

markthemd · Post by **markthemd** » Tue Feb 06, 2001 11:33 am

AS to the fretwire question ;

go to ... http://www.jimdunlop.com/fret/

there is a chart there that will explain this to you.

Rickenbacker does NOT use Dunlop wire ,they have a French source and Dunlop does NOT make fret wire.

The common sizes are listed .
I use a wire from Dimarzio -DMZ1600U that I use more often than not or 6100 from Dunlop and a Vintage size that I get from Luthiers Mercantile.They cover most of my needs.
I stock 7 sizes however ,these are the 3 most used wires.

johnhall · Post by **johnhall** » Tue Feb 06, 2001 2:14 pm

No 4001v63 had a vermilion fingerboard or head wings.

Why would we want to analyze a paint sample from some unspecified guitar?

markthemd · Post by **markthemd** » Tue Feb 06, 2001 3:01 pm

Exactly ....there is no point in it .

Rickenbacker uses the materials that they have found ,does the job for them.Period ...why would the guys in the spray booth need to know some obscure material info?

A color match is one thing ....that could be transfered.But the rest is a waste of time.

John was not the center stripe on the 1970's necks Shedua?

Amos · Post by **Amos** » Tue Feb 06, 2001 7:46 pm

So the CS was the only one to have the vermilion?
Just trying to ID a bass and put to bed sellers claims and arguements.
John I understand now I should have come to you in the first place but I did not dream you would be so accessable. Either way I guess I've learned a little more about the product with the stark realization I should not have sold the ChriSquire
that I had. It sounded... Well~ you know!!
Art.
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seyesbass · Post by **seyesbass** » Wed May 23, 2001 11:14 am

Mark,I own a 4001cs #H36407 which I bought ten years ago.It was the display model at Frankfurt and I have been trying to find out if it is actually a prototype.By the way it plays and sounds great and I am not parting with it at any cost.

SixtyFour · Post by **SixtyFour** » Wed May 23, 2001 7:59 pm

Hello Mr. Greenwood, I made a comment to you several months ago pertainng to the serial # H 3, ( August 1990 ), i too am curious about this, once again the Squire Ltd edition 4001 bass was officially announced by Rickenbacker early January in 1991. I believe the regular production models started to ship in March or early April of 1991. Mark Arnquist or John Hall, can you confirm the above ? ( I do believe that Mr. Greenwood must own one of the very first 4001CS models made. ) Tnx....

markthemd · Post by **markthemd** » Fri May 25, 2001 8:17 am

I have no knowledge of any era production numbers and as I was gone by October of 1976 ,I would not have ANY idea on the Signature models.

Now Chris' bass ...Yes I have worked on that ,and some of the reprduction /signatures ,but you would have to ask the Factory or John for that info.

I don't know if they have got their ISP troubles rectified yet ...hope so .

seyesbass · Post by **seyesbass** » Tue Jun 19, 2001 11:02 am

Mr Hall,could you please shed any light on the history of my 4001cs #H36407?As I mentioned earlier it was pure fluke that it happened to be at the Ric office in Bury Lancashire just up the road from Manchester when I rang to ask for a catalogue and details of the new bass.Four days later I bought it after Chris had done a photo shoot for Guitarist magazine with my bass!As time went by it occured to me that I was in possesion of one of the first models made and as such it might even be a prototype.Whatever it may or may not be, speaking as a Squire fan of over thirty years standing(and falling down)this bass certainly deserves to carry the mans name.Of all the Rics I have owned it has an outrageous tone positively vergeing on filthy when one digs in (and one does at every opportunity)and as I said I am not parting with this one for anything.So after all that I am just curious to know how my bass came about and went one further than Elvis by coming to dear old Blighty after service in Germany.Regards...Pete G.

tomneves · Post by **tomneves** » Wed Jul 04, 2001 3:54 pm

Guys,
Should'nt the Chris Squire and the 4001v63 have the same sounds?
Thoughts!