The Lost Lennon 325 proto-type

roadrunners · Post by **roadrunners** » Fri Dec 24, 2004 10:34 am

ok, Im gonna re-instate this question in the 325 section........Ive read in many places that mr Hall (or another member of rickenbacker) went to the beatles place of residency in 1966 while they were touring the U.S and tried to present them with a number of different instruments.....one of those instruments intrigued me very much he called it a 325, but also noted that it was full scale and had rounded edges. where is this guitar today???/

jwilli · Post by **jwilli** » Fri Dec 24, 2004 4:11 pm

I'd like to know too!

glen_l · Post by **glen_l** » Fri Dec 24, 2004 11:41 pm

I thought they might have mean't the one featured on page 223 of the Smith book. It's a late 60's model, with a 325 shaped solid body(thicker than any other solid), with the aforementioned rounded edges, and full scale neck. So it's a two pickup, non vibrato model, but they could have been refering to the body shape rather than being strictly correct with pickup and tremelo spec. They shouldn't have been calling a full scale guitar a 325 either.

242_foxtrot · Post by **242_foxtrot** » Sat Dec 25, 2004 6:13 am

Hey, I would like to know what happened to the "McGuinn" type 12 string, that George was suppose to get!!!!!

roadrunners · Post by **roadrunners** » Tue Feb 08, 2005 2:39 pm

"I thought they might have mean't the one featured on page 223 of the Smith book. It's a late 60's model, with a 325 shaped solid body(thicker than any other solid), with the aforementioned rounded edges, and full scale neck. So it's a two pickup, non vibrato model, but they could have been refering to the body shape rather than being strictly correct with pickup and tremelo spec. They shouldn't have been calling a full scale guitar a 325 either."

----Can anyone upload a picture of this? please?

jwilli · Post by **jwilli** » Wed Mar 02, 2005 1:52 am

See it here:
http://www.homestead.com/aurs2/files/70proto.jpg

jingle_jangle · Post by **jingle_jangle** » Wed Mar 02, 2005 5:22 am

I so hate to be pedantic here, but...tremelo and vibrato are two different things. Since...forever, the two have been confused and used interchangeably. What you are referring to here is vibrato.

glen_l · Post by **glen_l** » Wed Mar 09, 2005 12:25 am

Rickenbacker appears to have favoured Vibrato systems over Tremelo systems. The Accent system is correctly titled "Accent Vibrato". The Kauffman was fully titled "Kauffman Vibrola" Neither of which are tremelo systems. People do sometimes complain about the Accent, but that could be from using it too heavily, like a Bigsby. Under these conditions it can loose pitch. However, if used more gently, and as a Vibrato, it seems to work just fine on all my Rics that have it.

I think Vibrato is the correct term for those systems used by Ric. Tremelo is correct for heavier action systems like Bigsby.

iamthebassman · Post by **iamthebassman** » Wed Mar 09, 2005 4:18 am

I always thought "vibrato" changed the pitch, and "tremelo" changed the volume.

jingle_jangle · Post by **jingle_jangle** » Wed Mar 09, 2005 9:14 am

You got it, Ronn. It's been talked about before in other strings on this Forum.

glen_l · Post by **glen_l** » Thu Mar 10, 2005 12:25 am

yes that's true. So technically speaking, all devices for changing the pitch of the strings are vibrato's, and the only true tremelo devices for a guitar would be your finger on the volume knob as you play, or the tremelo effect on your amp of course.

jingle_jangle · Post by **jingle_jangle** » Thu Mar 10, 2005 5:26 am

You got it. There's been a lot of misperception on this over the years, some of it fostered by manufacturers' poorly informed copywriters.

route66guitars · Post by **route66guitars** » Mon May 02, 2005 5:54 pm

To answer Alex's original question, the guitar is in Rickenbacker's collection.