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Anthony Carey (Tony_carey)
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Post Number: 658
Registered: 10-2004
Posted From: 81.157.60.37
Posted on Thursday, May 26, 2005 - 12:56 pm:   Edit Post Print Post

That dispells Eds 24 fret dead spot theory then Peter!

I'm supposed to be working (un-attended studio), but this thread is far too interesting to work through!
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Steve Carsello (Steverok)
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Post Number: 112
Registered: 03-2005
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Posted on Thursday, May 26, 2005 - 02:18 pm:   Edit Post Print Post

I'm still waiting for some A/B sound clips, comparing toasters and hi-gains on 24 and 21-fret models !!
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John Williams (Jwilli)
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Post Number: 942
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Posted on Thursday, May 26, 2005 - 02:24 pm:   Edit Post Print Post

Ed wrote: "The neck angle is better on the PRS models with 24 frets than with 22, the string tension is slinkier and the overall playability is far better."


How is string tension slinkier with a 24 fret neck vs. a 21 fret neck? They are the same scale but one has three less frets....doesn't make sense.
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Anthony Carey (Tony_carey)
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Post Number: 660
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Posted on Thursday, May 26, 2005 - 02:29 pm:   Edit Post Print Post

Steve, this is what I am on about. There doesn't seem to be a definitive toaster. To make the sound clips valid, you would have to offer all the toasters in their various derivitives...

I could give you a sound clip of my '91 1997 & my '00 1997 (both with toasters, but the '91 is MUCH hotter) & they would be wildly different!

BTW, good point John!
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Steve Carsello (Steverok)
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Post Number: 113
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Posted on Thursday, May 26, 2005 - 02:40 pm:   Edit Post Print Post

All sound clips are welcome !! Also, do you have any hi-gain guitars for comparison, like a 330 ?
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Anthony Carey (Tony_carey)
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Post Number: 662
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Posted on Thursday, May 26, 2005 - 03:45 pm:   Edit Post Print Post

Yes, I have a 330...

http://www.rickresource.com/cgi-bin/discus/show.cgi?tpc=43&post=119034#POST119034

But once again, these are the older hi-gains, which sound very different to the newer hi-gains.....it never ends!
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Peter McCormack (Admin)
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Post Number: 3693
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Posted on Thursday, May 26, 2005 - 03:54 pm:   Edit Post Print Post

Here is an interesting primer on guitar pickups and their relative width.
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Don Adamek (Rick12dr)
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Post Number: 552
Registered: 04-2002
Posted From: 64.12.116.7
Posted on Friday, May 27, 2005 - 01:08 pm:   Edit Post Print Post

Never mind the "metaphysics" of it. Everyone has their preferences for whatever reason. As for Ricks, especially if you actually use the neck PU frequently in the PU mix, the best Ricks are 21 fret models.On a related note, how come no one ever mentions that when the V series came out, note that the Bridge PU is stuck right up against the bridge! Sure, that makes for a brighter tone, but what was really wrong with leaving that PU in the place it always was on the 60s Ricks?[see the new C 63 12; the PU is back where it's supposed to be.]Anyone else want to comment on this?
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John Hall (Johnhall)
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Post Number: 990
Registered: 01-2003
Posted From: 64.105.135.123
Posted on Friday, May 27, 2005 - 02:56 pm:   Edit Post Print Post

Regarding Tillman's work, it's one of few scholarly discussions on this topic but it's also quite theoretical. The major flaw of all such works that I've seen is that they invoke wave theory- which is fine and applicable- except that a musical instrument string vibrates in a helix which is truly advanced wave theory and adds far more complexity than is ever considered.

Bottom line: what sounds great and what doesn't is all that matters in these discussions.
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Sir Andrew of Left Coast (Xspence)
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Post Number: 234
Registered: 04-2002
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Posted on Friday, May 27, 2005 - 03:49 pm:   Edit Post Print Post

"Bottom line: what sounds great and what doesn't is all that matters in these discussions."

Agreed! If I've learned ANYTHING on the 'Net, it's that what's "most important" is that the screws need to be slotted-head, not philips! ;-)