Less is more... right, Peter, but for me this song is not the case. You see, the tune is quite complicated anyway (tried to sing it. Didn't really succeed).
As for the lyrics, as i've already mentioned somewhere, two verses repeated twice is a wee bit too much. The other kinda 'problem' is there actually are some metaphors, but they're all kinda trite. I mean, bearing in mind that less is more, sometimes no metaphors at all is better than lots of trite ones. Pathos is no problem really, it seems to be common for all very young men to be pathetic when speaking about love, and in any case, it's all true, it just feels it's all true, and that might be the problem. Finding the right words to tell what you feel. In any case, to me, 'Push push' or, say, 'Love lies bleeding' are much stronger songs. They're much more 'straight-forward' and a bit cynic maybe, but there's no useless 'knick-knacks' (metaphors which are not needed, etc). Well okay, it's only my opinion...
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I think you're getting a bit deep here Sheena and also surprised at Peter's comments ref John McNally. Remember Till I Met You was written in 1964 and compared to songs by most beat groups who were writing their own material, including the moptops, it stands up well in my view. I firmly believe if you read the srticle searchers sing searchers, though that is not a plug, just a means of accenuating a point, that McNally wrote most of The Searchers stuff, certainly from 66 onwards, Frank Allen wrote very few numbers and he certainly could not have wrote songs which would have classified him as being a "hit machine". But hey that's what debate is about right.
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Roy: i appreciate your point of view, still i think "Don't hang on" or, say, "Baby I do" (of course if it hadn't been for "10 o'clock postman" which it probably originates from... or just a coincidence?) could've "hit it" if, well, time, conditions, etc were right. I mean Frank's songwriting has a hit potential, for the reasons i've already mentioned. His only song that doesn't have a hook is "And a button". Eh. Forget it. IT'S NOT A SONG!
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Roy: I agree completely that McNally's "Til I Met You" stands up very well compared to the songs of the day. I think it is a strong composition and a favourite of mine.
I am not sure what you find surprising about my comments regarding McNally. For me, I just don't get swept away by his other compositions to the same extent as "Til I Met You." I really don't think that any of the Searchers wrote material that was destined to be a major hit. But as they are still writing, there is still a chance that they might. Which ones do you think might have been a chart topper?
While we are on the subject, perhaps it is time that I listened once again to the McNally and Allen compositions. Is there one in particular that is your favourite? I am prepared to be educated on this one.
I am not sure what you find surprising about my comments regarding McNally. For me, I just don't get swept away by his other compositions to the same extent as "Til I Met You." I really don't think that any of the Searchers wrote material that was destined to be a major hit. But as they are still writing, there is still a chance that they might. Which ones do you think might have been a chart topper?
While we are on the subject, perhaps it is time that I listened once again to the McNally and Allen compositions. Is there one in particular that is your favourite? I am prepared to be educated on this one.
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Peter: two that i've already mentioned, "Push push" and "Don't hang on".
As for 'whose composition might become a hit', i think if they tried a joint effort, that might have worked. Why not, anyway?
PS: did i get you right - THEY'RE STILL WRITING?!?!
As for 'whose composition might become a hit', i think if they tried a joint effort, that might have worked. Why not, anyway?
PS: did i get you right - THEY'RE STILL WRITING?!?!
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Sheena: As The Searchers continue to perform and add new arrangements to their stage act, I would not want to rule out the possibility that they continue to write material as well.
Perhaps Roy or Tim could add to this speculation when they get a chance to talk to The Searchers in the near future.
Perhaps Roy or Tim could add to this speculation when they get a chance to talk to The Searchers in the near future.
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Roy: I reviewed the following compositions by Allen McNally and Pender today: The World Is Waiting For Tomorrow, And A Button, Sing Singer Sing and Madman.
While I consider the Sing Singer Sing is the best of the four, to me, it still pales by comparison to the richness of melody and harmony of "Til I Met You."
Just to compare, how do you rate these songs against Til I Met You."
While I consider the Sing Singer Sing is the best of the four, to me, it still pales by comparison to the richness of melody and harmony of "Til I Met You."
Just to compare, how do you rate these songs against Til I Met You."
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Sing Singer Singer soundsas I stated in a article you kindly published sounds like an attempt at a Eurovision song, being Canadian you won't really appreciate the significance of that comment suffice to say Waterloo by ABBA won Eurovision. And A Button, Madman are poor in my view and don't convey The Searchers sound, Worls makes a decent B Side.
As for them writing new material could happen if someone was to give them one more shot at a recording deal but unlikely. I would concur though that their writing in the sixties was probably not strong enough by any means to produce hit after hit.
The McNally compostions I would listen to are from the sire period Another Night, This Kind of Love Affair, Little Bit Of Heaven. Till I met You was wasted as a B Side would have been a hit in it's own right in 64 or 65. It is not always possible to be certain who wrote what during the Pye Years and even speaking to band memebers or former members sometimes gets opposing view.
As for the songs Don't Hang On and Baby I do whilst Frank Allen took lead vocal I am certain the biiggest part of the songs were written by John.
As for them writing new material could happen if someone was to give them one more shot at a recording deal but unlikely. I would concur though that their writing in the sixties was probably not strong enough by any means to produce hit after hit.
The McNally compostions I would listen to are from the sire period Another Night, This Kind of Love Affair, Little Bit Of Heaven. Till I met You was wasted as a B Side would have been a hit in it's own right in 64 or 65. It is not always possible to be certain who wrote what during the Pye Years and even speaking to band memebers or former members sometimes gets opposing view.
As for the songs Don't Hang On and Baby I do whilst Frank Allen took lead vocal I am certain the biiggest part of the songs were written by John.
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I think "Madman" is the best of four! It's fun, cool tune and 'crazy' lyrics (okay, that's natural, that).
Roy: the latest sentence in your comment seems questionnable to me. Personally, i don't think so. I'm pretty sure the lyrics were done by Frank alone, and as for the tunes, maybe John helped a bit, still i wouldn't be so sure of that.
Roy: the latest sentence in your comment seems questionnable to me. Personally, i don't think so. I'm pretty sure the lyrics were done by Frank alone, and as for the tunes, maybe John helped a bit, still i wouldn't be so sure of that.
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