What to do with a faker?

xakattack · Post by **xakattack** » Mon Feb 26, 2007 1:51 pm

thats weird because they have a forum dedicated to copies called "Tim's Ho Bags".

ricnbacker · Post by **ricnbacker** » Mon Feb 26, 2007 1:55 pm

I read that thread on the other site. they must have deleted all of Paul's "rude" comments because I didnt see anything rude.

I saw a 77 Ric in 1979 when I started playing and wanted one till I got my 4003 in 2001.
my first bass was 68 P bass because that was what I could afford at 15 years old.
It never occured to me to buy a fake Ric.
I do have a rondo P bass copy. I only have that so I do not have to take my Ric out on cold nights. I hate playing anything but my Ric so i no longer play on bad weather nights....lol

I never knew about the Trade mark thing till I joined these forums. I am proud to know that the guitar I hold in such high regard is protected by the manufacturer because they believe in their products as well.

I take this away from all people who are "mad" at RIc for supporting their right to protect their products. they are just jealous they cannot afford one or just cant get one....

I do like what the owner of the forum said though in regards to all this.

"If you bought something at a pawnshop in good faith and had a recipt and it's discovered to be stolen later the cops would still confiscate it as being stolen propery.

sloop_john_b · Post by **sloop_john_b** » Mon Feb 26, 2007 2:01 pm

Chris, actually Paul's comments were not edited or deleted - that's exactly what he said.

aceonbass · Post by **aceonbass** » Mon Feb 26, 2007 3:34 pm

Paul's comments weren't rude at all. It's just that some people had a chip on their shoulder about the whole issue and insisted on applying Paul's cleverly crafted comments personally.

jingle_jangle · Post by **jingle_jangle** » Mon Feb 26, 2007 3:41 pm

An amazing turn of events, which as far as I can see is finally taking a stand on illegal copies. The only two other forums I'm aware of that do this are this very Forum and the RIC factory Forum.

It's a bit difficult to modify people's thinking on this topic, because to most musicians, "normal" is a situation that sees knockoffs everywhere, due to Fender and Gibson's failure to seek protection when their goods first hit the market, followed by their failure once again to prosecute the first knockoffs that hit the stores.

Thus, no distinction is made in people's minds between legitimate and illegitimate copies, and the whole issue of intellectual property becomes foreign, along with the concepts of permission and licensing.

It's a positive step, no doubt taken at least partly in response to the thread and RICs unwavering stand on the issue.

Ho Bags can get along without RIC bass copies--there's lots of other stuffin' for the bag.

johnallg · Post by **johnallg** » Mon Feb 26, 2007 4:25 pm

I find it amazing that musicians that would scream when their music cd of their soul outpouring was copied and sold for profit by a scam artist thinks it is ok to sell a copy Rick.

relayer4u · Post by **relayer4u** » Mon Feb 26, 2007 4:41 pm

Lots of people still don't understand that music "sharing" of commercial product is stealing from the artists that busted their butts to get a CD on the market.

Shame on them all!

ricnbacker · Post by **ricnbacker** » Mon Feb 26, 2007 6:27 pm

John (Nyrkickazz1)

that makes it even funnier now

LOL

lyle_from_minneapolis · Tue Feb 27, 2007 6:54 am

I no longer have any difficulty understanding the principle of copyright infringement when it comes to fake Rics, and I fully support all efforts to quash any sales of said copies. However, the very existence of these copies presents the thorniest problem: what to do with them? This has been discussed at length, but conclusions have been elliptical, at best. Despite our best intentions, I don't think there is a poster on this thread who would have the heart to destroy Howie Epstein's Rickenfaker.

I suppose the definitive answer is that you can have one, and you can "gift" one, but you cannot sell one. But that is still inconclusive. Can you trade one for a vintage Bandmaster? Doesn't seem right. Can you go to a foreign country and sell it? No...no honor in that. And if it is stolen or outlives you, it hits the market again.

Really the only right thing to do is to destroy them...but who among us could do that?

Like cloning, it's an ethical impasse of Our Time.

sowhat · Post by **sowhat** » Tue Feb 27, 2007 7:13 am

Give it to a young child to play with, and he/she will do the job.

Seriously, though, personally i'm not able to destroy an instrument, no matter how bad it is.

johnhall · Post by **johnhall** » Tue Feb 27, 2007 7:28 am

Trademarks . . . not copyrights. But certainly similar concepts.

lyle_from_minneapolis · Tue Feb 27, 2007 7:08 pm

Dang. And I had such high hopes for that post...

Sheena, you are dead right. My brother-in-law can also get the job done, anyhow, anytime, anywhere.