Harmony Wheel and Mode Question for bass

jdogric12 · Post by **jdogric12** » Sat Mar 24, 2007 3:39 am

And to finish answering some questions:

Q:"So for a tonic of A and a I-IV-V progression, I could start with a 1-3-5 chord (A-C-E), go to D-F-A, then E-G-A#?? So, really, it looks like instead of I-IV-V, this is actually i-iv-v, right?"

A:Well, let's clean it up a little. If you're in the "key of C," that's RELATED to A minor, which also has no sharps no flats.

So our A Aeolian (minor) scale is
A B C D E F G A
and our chords are
Am Bo C Dm Em F G

So you're right it's i-iv-v, as opposed to I-IV-V. So if we look at a minor scale (any minor/Aeolian scale) the chords go i iio III iv v VI VII.

Next time: "Build Your Snowman!"

Yep, I'm serious!

ajish4 · Post by **ajish4** » Sat Mar 24, 2007 4:29 am

JDOG...sorry to ask again, but I'm assuming you missed this part:

"I don't want to "busy up" the mix, I just want to learn more MELODIC options in my playing. JDOG, you are the only one who has heard me play live, you are uniquely qualified to chime into this, although I know your REALLY busy at this time of year. I'd REALLY appreciate your input.

For LACK of a better example, I'm looking to add some color or flavor if you will, into the mix. More of a MELLOW Michael Manring sound. NO, not the busy lead stuff, but the MELLOW sweet melodic harmonic chorded type sound. THIS is why I want my fretless SO bad, even more than my DCM."

kcole4001 · Post by **kcole4001** » Sat Mar 24, 2007 7:00 am

I'm glad I'm not the only 'theory-challenged' one here!
The only Ionian I can remember is between Italy & Greece!

Seriously, very interesting stuff, but I think I have too many interests to get so deep into any one.

charlyg · Post by **charlyg** » Sat Mar 24, 2007 9:32 am

Kevin - If I may speak for Tony too, that is how we got here. Spent our youth on other interests, and now trying to make up for lost time!

kcole4001 · Post by **kcole4001** » Sat Mar 24, 2007 9:38 am

I'm the opposite. The older I get, the more varied things interest me.
Sorry for the interruption, please continue, guys!

squirefan01 · Post by **squirefan01** » Sat Mar 24, 2007 4:40 pm

I hear you Kevin. I have been through many things but when I do lock onto something I dive in pretty deep. I got into beer brewing around '88 and ended up starting my own business selling supplies and teaching classes. I have had a few serious relationships with golf too, as well as focusing enough to crank out an engineering degree after going back to college at 29. Of course, the kids and family are always at the top of the list these days too.

The problem I tend to have is that I get into something so hardcore that I burn myself out after a few years. I am purposely trying to lay back with the bass a little bit, to try to make a long-term relationship. The music has always been in my blood and I'm having a great time trying to let it out. So far so good!

Jason, thanks for the new tips. something else to work on next. You are a fantastic resource here!

jdogric12 · Post by **jdogric12** » Sun Mar 25, 2007 2:50 am

I'm happy to help. Tony, my C B A over Cmaj G maj Amin was more along the lines of what you seem to be talking about. I actually DON"T have to work (on taxes anyway) this weekend

so give me a call today between church services!

"Hey Tony, c'meeeere..." (inside joke)

ajish4 · Post by **ajish4** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 1:50 am

Hey Jdog,

Sorry I wasn't able to get in touch with you yesterday. I had a heck of a weekend, AGAIN.

Can you shoot me your phone # again and when it's a good time to call and & drop you a dime.

THANKS for the C B A thing, I'll have to check into it, my small brain can't absorb it without seeing it on paper.

OMG, you REMEMBERED that story!?!?! You know, I should drop Joey V a line, he's a bird person...I'd be he'd get a kick out of that one!

charlyg · Post by **charlyg** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 7:39 am

I want to make sure I understand. The reason the walk down works, is because it uses the inversion note(one of the notes in the chord/scale for that key.

Here's something. We were doing a song yesterday and it went something like: F/A C/Bb Bb C/Bb C Csus C. One of the guitar players, who has some training, could not get it until I dropped the Bb's. It seemed to be not as obnoxious on the first one than the second.

It is true Bb works in the key, but the low note on a C chord? It rubbed me the wrong way anyways, but should it have worked? I will endeavor today to research unless someone fills me in here.

sloop_john_b · Post by **sloop_john_b** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 10:04 am

I want to make sure I understand. The reason the walk down works, is because it uses the inversion note(one of the notes in the chord/scale for that key.

Correct, Charly. Here's a common occurence of that:
Chords: C - G - Am
Bass: C - B - A

Here's something. We were doing a song yesterday and it went something like: F/A C/Bb Bb C/Bb C Csus C. One of the guitar players, who has some training, could not get it until I dropped the Bb's. It seemed to be not as obnoxious on the first one than the second.

It is true Bb works in the key, but the low note on a C chord? It rubbed me the wrong way anyways, but should it have worked? I will endeavor today to research unless someone fills me in here.

Everything in that chord progression works in the key - F.

Because you have a Bb on the bass of a C chord, that chord is actually a C7 (C E G Bb) - the V7 in F. I'm really not sure how it would sound between a guitar and a bass, but I just played it on piano and it sounded rather nice.

charlyg · Post by **charlyg** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 10:52 am

I have noticed that not all things that "work" on a piano, will work on a guitar/bass combo.

jdogric12 · Post by **jdogric12** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 11:27 am

D'oh! Edited.

sloop_john_b · Post by **sloop_john_b** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 12:09 pm

D'oh! Edited.

jdogric12 · Post by **jdogric12** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 12:48 pm

I'll post when I get home tonight...

ajish4 · Post by **ajish4** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 4:05 pm