Toaster pickups

ben_brown · Post by **ben_brown** » Sun May 13, 2007 3:57 am

Back to the toasters...there are scatterwound and non-scatterwound and we have the different impedances but what about the differences between the short pole toasters and the long pole toasters? hear of forumites wanting short pole toasters. Are they better? What exactly is the difference?

jingle_jangle · Post by **jingle_jangle** » Sun May 13, 2007 4:54 am

The magnets and impedances are different, but I hesitate to quote chapter and verse on this, because there is wide variance.

My '67 625 (which I believe to be 100% as delivered from the factory) has a long pole in the bridge--it's HOT--and a short one in the neck--it's NOT.

ben_brown · Post by **ben_brown** » Sun May 13, 2007 5:22 am

That makes sense...larger magnet is hotter and smaller magnet is less hot.
Am I correct is saying that short pole toasters installed on guitars and short pole toasters installed on basses are pretty much the same other than impedance differences?

jps · Post by **jps** » Sun May 13, 2007 5:48 am

My 4005WB has the same pickups as Paul's 625 but the two sound the same gainwise.

rickcrazy · Post by **rickcrazy** » Sun May 13, 2007 11:23 am

...but the two sound the same gain-wise. Well, no wonder: the bridge pickup is hotter than the neck one, but since its location is the least favorable one they're bound to sound the same gain-wise.
Ben: yes, they're the same.

ben_brown · Post by **ben_brown** » Sun May 13, 2007 5:57 pm

Thanks Sérgio...I stand educated!

heinpete · Post by **heinpete** » Mon May 14, 2007 2:07 am

Currently (received last Friday)Sérgio made a very special vintage toaster for me: It is a real “Pure-Vintage-Sound-Deep-Growl-Power-Silva-Machine”!.

Although the resistance is still the vintage one below 7 kOhms, the output is much stronger as before and quite equal to the 11kOhm Treble PU, as he used very strong magnets.

Overall the volume between the two PUs is now extremely balanced and has a pound more Bass than before. It is quite close to the one of Elys 21-Fretter, which I could play only briefly and with old strings.

Sérgio, you did an extremely well expert job, only you can do! Thank you very much again.

rickcrazy · Post by **rickcrazy** » Mon May 14, 2007 3:29 am

You're perfectly welcome, Peter. Nice 4001, by the way.

heinpete · Post by **heinpete** » Mon May 14, 2007 4:50 am

Thanx for the compliment (I also just love her fireglo), she will undergo cosmetic "surgery" (pre-'73 conversion) by Paul W. latest next year, that will make her even more pretty.

elysrand · Post by **elysrand** » Mon May 14, 2007 5:11 am

I do not see how it is possible for her to become even more pretty, Pete! She is quite beautiful already

That is about the most gorgeous fireglo that I have ever seen, it is a much richer and fiery red on the edges than Susanna, or her sister Jaclyn, who are a more "pinkish" red.

heinpete · Post by **heinpete** » Mon May 14, 2007 9:31 am

Elys, you're right, but I trust Paul, that he will replicate this fireglo shading nearly exactly like it is. I think currently the fading from outer to inner body of the 4003 FG and AFG is rather rough and never so smooth as it was in the ("golden") '70ies. However, no CB and FWMOP possible w/o refin for her, and the cracked neck finish will also be improved. But if she's back from plastic surgery and you'll hear her singing, I bet you'll offer me more than you've bid for Susanna!?

AND BTW: SHE WILL BECOME A 21-FRETTER, TOO!!!

wints · Post by **wints** » Mon May 14, 2007 11:29 am

Mid '72 to mid '73 is one of the classic FG's to many it seems. The guy in the booth had it going on, no question.

When it ages, it looks really good...

jingle_jangle · Post by **jingle_jangle** » Mon May 14, 2007 12:05 pm

I'm a big fan of the gradual color transition as shown above.

heinpete · Post by **heinpete** » Mon May 14, 2007 8:51 pm

Paul, that is why I trust you!

One day next year my bass will look like the one in the pic of Andrew...except for the gap in the tailpiece (function? not needed).

beatlefreak · Post by **beatlefreak** » Tue May 15, 2007 3:37 am

I'll second that, Paul.