1960 450 "Teardrop" restoration
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Re: 1960 450 "Teardrop" restoration
Great project! I'll be following this one. 
Re: 1960 450 "Teardrop" restoration
Well, I'm impressed. I too will be watching - I love these photo essays of restorations.
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Re: 1960 450 "Teardrop" restoration
johnallg wrote:Well, I'm impressed. I too will be watching - I love these photo essays of restorations.
Really cool, Collin !!! I am very impressed with your woodworking and luthier skills demonstrated here. It will be great to watch you restore this baby, step-by-step, to its rightful place.
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Re: 1960 450 "Teardrop" restoration
Collin --- any further progress to report on your 450 restoration project ?? 
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This is what I immediately thought. Heinous? Yes. But it sure looks playable. Good luck with the resurrection!collin wrote: Surprisingly, it played and sounded great.
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Been sidetracked with holidays. I think I'll be back on the trail next week.8mileshigher wrote:Collin --- any further progress to report on your 450 restoration project ??
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Holidays??!! Stay focused on the important things!!!!!collin wrote:Been sidetracked with holidays. I think I'll be back on the trail next week.8mileshigher wrote:Collin --- any further progress to report on your 450 restoration project ??
Re: 1960 450 "Teardrop" restoration
Collin, Dunlop has a wire I like. It is Dunlop 6105. It is a narrow .090 vintage width, but with a .055 height. So it gives you at vintage look, but with the playability of a jumbo type wire, which would be nice on a 450. The extra height is also nice, because you don't have to worry about taking to much off during the leveling and crowning process.
I would also like to hear Paul's seam trick for gluing these odd shape pieces of wood together.
I would also like to hear Paul's seam trick for gluing these odd shape pieces of wood together.
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Re: 1960 450 "Teardrop" restoration
First, you need to have a good, level fit between wings and body. It should be undetectable to the touch. Run your fingers over the joint, and if you can feel it, fill it. Since this is getting painted an opaque color, and has already been messed with once, don't be shy about using a polyester filler. I prefer Evercoat Metal Glaze FE 416. Sets up dense and quick. Bondo's too porous.
This would also be a good time to fill any excess holes in the top and sand 'em nice and smooth. 150 grit open coat, dry, will do the trick.
If you were to paint it at this stage, you'd get witness lines within a day or three, regardless of what paint process you use. It's what you do now that will determine how invisible your repairs will remain.
Here's my "trick" in this situation: I use a single lamination of fiberglass veil cloth (2 oz/sq ft or lighter), with epoxy resin wetting out the surface. This will give you a .015" structural laminate on each side of the body, and prevent the joints and hole fills from "printing through". I prefer woven veil cloth rather than the non-woven stuff; it goes on smoother and thinner. Either type will work, however.
After you've laminated this up, one side at a time (no bubbles!), let it cure and sand lightly with #150, dry again.
Next, apply two wet coats of Evercoat Slick Sand #708 polyester primer/surfacer. This will fill in the cloth grain or texture and give you a basis for paint. If you uncover the cloth while sanding the primer, spray another coat. Your final surface under the paint should be #600, wet-sanded. Use a block to sand.
I've been helping Kira to restore her much-dented and much-drilled 320. We used this method to get the top absolutely flat and smooth prior to painting. Wait'll you see the finished guitar!
This would also be a good time to fill any excess holes in the top and sand 'em nice and smooth. 150 grit open coat, dry, will do the trick.
If you were to paint it at this stage, you'd get witness lines within a day or three, regardless of what paint process you use. It's what you do now that will determine how invisible your repairs will remain.
Here's my "trick" in this situation: I use a single lamination of fiberglass veil cloth (2 oz/sq ft or lighter), with epoxy resin wetting out the surface. This will give you a .015" structural laminate on each side of the body, and prevent the joints and hole fills from "printing through". I prefer woven veil cloth rather than the non-woven stuff; it goes on smoother and thinner. Either type will work, however.
After you've laminated this up, one side at a time (no bubbles!), let it cure and sand lightly with #150, dry again.
Next, apply two wet coats of Evercoat Slick Sand #708 polyester primer/surfacer. This will fill in the cloth grain or texture and give you a basis for paint. If you uncover the cloth while sanding the primer, spray another coat. Your final surface under the paint should be #600, wet-sanded. Use a block to sand.
I've been helping Kira to restore her much-dented and much-drilled 320. We used this method to get the top absolutely flat and smooth prior to painting. Wait'll you see the finished guitar!
Re: 1960 450 "Teardrop" restoration
Yes, indeed! So far so good - the body looks like new under the primer coat. I can't wait to share the surprises planned for the end of the job.

All I wanna do is rock!
Re: 1960 450 "Teardrop" restoration
Collin, here's the kind of glass cloth you need: It should be as soft and thin as a fine silk handkerchief.


All I wanna do is rock!
Re: 1960 450 "Teardrop" restoration
Will it look like your avatar?kiramdear wrote:Yes, indeed! So far so good - the body looks like new under the primer coat. I can't wait to share the surprises planned for the end of the job.![]()
Re: 1960 450 "Teardrop" restoration
No, it's going to be completely different than that.jps wrote: Will it look like your avatar?
All I wanna do is rock!
Re: 1960 450 "Teardrop" restoration
Rats, foiled again! 
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