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Re: Banning of Rickenbacker on basschat uk

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telebass wrote:
Ashgray wrote:To a degree, yes, but I do think, in general, that US citizens tend to be more "chilled out" over such issues than the Brits. It's always seemed to me that we love an argument.
I hate to admit it, but this has hit the nail on the head. And I'm somewhat embarrassed that what started as a dispute between the Basschat Moderators and John Hall has spilled over onto to this site.
Another country, another culture. To a US citizen the UK may appear sometimes very rude. It is just another attitude of another country. There is no right one. To me most Brits are way more friendly than people here in Germany. Imagine that!
I think the whole good old Europe is more direct. What is ok here is maybe a challenge or an affront for a US citizen. Who is right now?
But: If You want to sell here You have to accept the habits of the market and the people. If not, on the long run the market will solve that by falling sales figures. You have to understand Your customers (You do not have to marry them in case of doubt!).

IMHO there is a reason why this came to this forum. I agree, problems of another forum should not be solved here, normally.
But remenbering a few discussions about new colours, fretboards, schratchplates of the white 330 S LE it was nearly impossible for people to have a skeptical, different opinion - even if it was expressed in friendly words.
(What is a must, of course!)
Strange: not the mods became angry, there were (and are) a lot of people that think they have to protect a brand. It is a bunch of well known persons that alway start very subtile personal attacks to "shut somebody elses mouth".

Closing this thread will just crush again a free speech. Since a longer time I notice that the waves of what (too) many people grasp as "riots" against RIC are growing bigger and bigger from discussion to discussion. Most of them ended with a lock. - So now I was quite surprised when I found this thread.

Personally I just need a statement if the RRF is for praising a brand or discussing and helping each other on a grown up base. Of course every person has to be treated friendly and respectful. And laws have to be accepted. I am sure more than 99% of the users already do that.

My respectful advice for the mods and admins (that do a very hard job!) is to take out the cork out of the bottle before the bottle will break. If not, I fear the next wave will be bigger again and so on until this forum is crowded only with claqueurs.
I am not interested in a forced to line forum.

Being in the Martin forum, too, my experience is that it is possible to critizise the factory without destroying its reputation.
To the contrary! - There it is very constructive and the factory has a big benefit of getting a customer's feedback.

I just hope my opinion does not appear too much direct, rude or european...
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+1 Hotzenplotz

I think this has been an interesting debate (which I prefer to 'argument') - I think there have been good points made on both sides, and as admin says, as long as decorum prevails why not carry on? Perhaps through discussion and understanding everyone's sides, good may come from it!
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Bassman4 wrote: ... such a shame the fascinating designs were not inherited by someone else. ...
I believe if you research this you will find that John Hall and his wife purchased this company from his father. It was not inherited.
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Well, if bought or inherited does not make a diffence to me. Maybe a US law caused that.

Personally I think that comment was way too personal and aggressive.
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Ashgray wrote: It's always seemed to me that we love an argument.
Absolutely not...
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Now You have to discuss that.
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Hotzenplotz wrote: But remenbering a few discussions about new colours, fretboards, schratchplates of the white 330 S LE it was nearly impossible for people to have a skeptical, different opinion - even if it was expressed in friendly words.

Sascha, you are completely incorrect - there was no such thing as a white 330 S LE! I will obviously have to correct you for the record as I feel you have been very rude and direct on that point and of course I am offended by that :wink: The guitar you refer to was a Pearl White 1997 LE and that is how the factory recorded it during production - see cavity shot below from one of my guitars. Now I've said that, I feel much so much better for correcting a fellow European. :wink: :lol:

On a serious note, I couldn't agree more with your points about censorship. I don't see why any thread should be locked unless something very extreme is involved (e.g. allegations that could give rise to legal issues for the forum or the people concerned etc). I wouldn't see much point in having any forum if people felt they couldn't hold or express contradictory ideas/views and argue their case providing, of course, that they do that in a way which respects both forum rules and the rights of others to hold views with which they might disagree.

I think the point about the way UK/US people discuss stuff is interesting and valid. Without wanting to caricature the people of either nation, I'd say most British people do feel more comfortable with making their points in a more direct, some might say blunt, way than would an American. However, I can also think of examples of many Americans who I have worked or dealt with (indeed some of them forum members here!) who I have absolutely no doubt are totally comfortable with both receiving and giving their views in what we might call the "British" style.

These days, this RRF is the only forum that I bother to regularly contribute to. That is in no small part because I feel the vast majority of people on here are not only knowledgeable and enthusiastic about Rickenbacker guitars, but they also conduct themselves in a way which is both respectful to each other and to the forum rules/moderators. From what I've seen on many other forums (whether British, American or whatever), I'd say standards here are pretty high - and long may that continue.
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Hotzenplotz wrote:Now You have to discuss that.
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No I don't! :) :wink: (is this a five minute argument?)
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Colonel Sanders wrote:
Ashgray wrote: It's always seemed to me that we love an argument.
Absolutely not...
That's not an argument, that's just contradiction :lol:
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No it's not...
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Ashgray wrote: It's always seemed to me that we love an argument.
No we don't.

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Ashgray wrote:No it's not...
We may be rude and argumentative, but at least we gave the world Monty Python :D
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Hear Hear Eddie

I work all around the world with people from different cultures, and I've learned that one needs to adapt somewhat to the different conventions of other people while at the same time giving them the benefit of the doubt if there's any kind of misunderstanding. I've found that fundamentally, most people have good intentions.

At this very moment I'm working on a job in London with colleagues from India, Sri Lanka, South Africa, Barbados, Germany - as well as many brits. Everyone is getting on great!
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telebass wrote:
Ashgray wrote:No it's not...
We may be rude and argumentative, but at least we gave the world Monty Python :D
No we didn't! :P :P :P :P :P :P :P
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