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David McLaughlin (Combo850)
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Post Number: 10
Registered: 06-2003
Posted From: 68.232.66.122
Posted on Thursday, May 19, 2005 - 11:55 pm:   Edit Post Print Post

That's right. It is exactly 1/4 inch longer than standard. Because of the fact that the peghead is more narrow than standard, the difference appears to be more than 1/4 inch in the photos. It's an illusion. The case is standard size. I would guess an effort was made to create the new 12-string to fit into a standard case so that a new size would not have to be ordered. The tuners all work perfectly. The banjo tuners are the higher quality Grover frictions from the '60s. They are very smooth in action and do not slip at all.
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Scott Jennings (Route66guitars)
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Post Number: 197
Registered: 01-2004
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Posted on Friday, May 20, 2005 - 01:30 am:   Edit Post Print Post

I'm stunned that the neck on this instrument is factory original.

I don't think that it would have come from the factory with finished over dowels from a trapeze tailpiece being removed. I have never seen anything like that, even in test instruments that were never meant to leave the factory. Even the first 12 string had it's replacement 'R' tailpiece factory installed over the the original trapeze plate.
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Dale Bruce Fortune (Dale_fortune)
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Post Number: 162
Registered: 10-2004
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Posted on Friday, May 20, 2005 - 01:53 am:   Edit Post Print Post

Jwilli Didn't I tell you we made some 1 off and odd things at Electro String and that I thought this was probably an original instrument.
There were lots of instruments that were made that came out of the factory by special order that went undocumented. I remember in 1974 a Special Bass we made that had no body binding, but it had neck binding and an Ebony F,B. with M.O.P. marker dots on the F.B. It was finished in an off white cream color with black P.G and T.R.C. and it was fretless. Anyway, my thoughts are: this was a special order 1 of a kind that was left under the bed for lots of years. I've got 1 myself that's been in the closet since 1992, mint condition with very white and checkered binding.
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John Simmons (Leftybass)
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Posted on Friday, May 20, 2005 - 12:30 pm:   Edit Post Print Post

It is hard to determine if the 'R' was on the guitar when it left the factory, but it sure has been on the guitar a long time. The finish on the ramp has faded ever-so-slightly along with the rest of the top in a uniform manner, but there is a perfect shadow/image of the 'R' tailpiece on the ramp in a deeper red, undoubtedly the hue of the red when it was factory fresh. It could be one of the first Ricks to leave the factory with an 'R' tailpiece, despite whether or not it was tapped for a trapeze.
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David McLaughlin (Combo850)
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Posted on Friday, May 20, 2005 - 01:47 pm:   Edit Post Print Post

Another thing is that there is absolutely no trace or impression in the guitar or lacquer where a trapeze end-plate would have been, and there is no shadowing from a flat trapeze in the fireglo. And I have seen some Rics that were drilled for one thing and then redrilled for another before leaving the factory. The famous curly maple, butcher-block 360F from early 1958 is a good example. Of course, it was a sample prototype and used as a mule to a degree. Plus there is at least one February, 1959 315 that was drilled for a Kauffman plate but left the factory in the mid '60s with an Accent.
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Andrew Winter (Wints)
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Post Number: 892
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Posted on Friday, May 20, 2005 - 02:00 pm:   Edit Post Print Post

I want that white ebony fretless bass!
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David McLaughlin (Combo850)
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Posted on Saturday, May 21, 2005 - 04:56 pm:   Edit Post Print Post

I finished reassembling the guitar this morning after extensive photographing.

Leftybass has come over and has just now finished putting strings on it. Wow! It sounds fantastic. He commented on how super slim the neck is, the same as the tiny 1960 fireglo 310, yet the neck is perfectly straight. No wrench has ever been on the rod nuts. The string action is wonderful with plenty of space below the bridge. Both pickups and all knobs work perfectly.

Leftybass says: "very lightweight, slightly over seven pounds on the scale, the slimmest neck I have ever felt on a Ric twelve-string, the sound with the current amp adjustment reminds me of the Who�s recording of Anyway Anyhow Anywhere. The sound is really great!"
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John Minutaglio (Jsm610)
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Post Number: 188
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Posted on Saturday, May 21, 2005 - 05:02 pm:   Edit Post Print Post

More pictures!!! More Pictures!
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Kevin Kuney (Krick)
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Post Number: 136
Registered: 05-2002
Posted From: 207.91.212.254
Posted on Saturday, May 28, 2005 - 08:55 am:   Edit Post Print Post

Take a look!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=41439&item=7326378375&rd=1
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paul wilczynski (Jingle_jangle)
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Registered: 12-2004
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Posted on Saturday, May 28, 2005 - 10:54 am:   Edit Post Print Post

Didn't sell at $7100.00. Now it's at $76.00 with no reserve from a zero feedback bidder.

FRAUD, of course.